I sabotaged a mission

Way to be a complete hypocrite. The right thing to do would have been to just leave the group and do the mission and bonus with someone else, or with henchmen. Not be an asshole and waste 4 other people's time.

Well for one, four other people's time? WTH?

And two, refer to above posts.

If you are in a 4 man team it'd be 3 other people, but I otherwise agree with what you say.

No, the difference is between passive and active 'protest' against the leader ignoring your wishes. You leave the mission either way, but if you go through the trouble of making sure he won't finish the mission, you're being a complete ass about it, which makes you worse than the leader who disregarded your wishes. There is no justification for it.

Also, 'good job' is endorsing. You weren't just condoning it, weren't just 'not blaming him for doing it', you were cheering him on, along with a couple of others, that's what I reacted against.

The reason why I endorse it is because I understand it. It's frustrating being in such a position. Yes I agree, doing so is being an ass about it, but the person also probably deserved it. There are no penalties, no bannings for such a leader of the 'team' Dr Slug was in and people would expect him to just turn around and accept the kick in the ass.

As a leader of many teams with my ranger, I try to make it very clear what we are going to to do repeatedly to everyone in the party and wont leave for the mission until I hear everyone in the party chirp up and state they're ready. People shouldn't just turn around and accept the slap in the face from a greifer or idiot then leave.

I spent about 20 minutes yesterday listening to peolpe at Frost Gate berate me for not being a healer "you're a monk you're supposed to heal you ****ing noob" and "monks doing damage? that's rich you p***Y a** noob"....when I finally got a group that wanted to see how much dmg a Mo/Ele could do...they were quite surprised to see that if I had wanted to I could have solo'd the mission....Being a Non-Healing Monk is tough these days

Ooops! Guess I forgot how many people can be in one group in the lowbie ascalon missions. I guess that happens after not doing them for over a month.

Perfectly said. Thank you.

There is nothing after the Temple (slanted part) except cutscene and end of mission....then *poof* you're in Nolani.

You did the right thing IMO, the guy was being selfcentered and not a good party leader.

My similar experience was yesterday in Temple of the Ages: I advertised "Experienced E/Mes, looking for good group to head to UW". I get invited to a near full group that fills up right after I join and swoosh, we're off!! I'm taking a drink and getting comfy for a nice long adventure but when I look up I see SHADOW MONKS, SHADOW WARRIORS, SHADOW BEASTS and yes RASTIGAN (sp?).........we're in the Fissure of Woe. Normally I'd have no problem with this cept I'm on my Air Ele and prefer my Fire when in FOW.
Turns out several people in the group were expecting the same thing as I was because they too had advertized *LFG-UW*.
4 People dropped immediately including myself, back to TOA and again advertised that I was wanting to find a group for UW. I get an invite and join, several party members are talking and one clarifies if this is for FOW or UW - the leader stated FoW. I stated I that I specifically was looking for UW, but before I can hit "enter" we're down in FoW and I apologized to e1 before mapping back to TOA.
My game, my instance, I will play when/where I want to play. If I make it easily clear that "I'm lfg to go to UW"....don't invite me if you're going to FoW. Same to be said for people "lfg - mission + bonus", if you're only there to do mission then don't invite the person who's wanting to do both.

'Deserved it'. Thanks for being judge, jury and executioner. Most griefers are entirely convinced the others 'deserved it', even for reasons as silly as "they're noobs". Stop boasting kindergarten logic please.

Why not? It's the fastest and most respectful way to accomplish what they were originally trying to do. 'Teaching lessons' is petty revenge. You're not teaching anyone anything, you're sinking down to their level, and waste perfectly good time doing so.

Personally, I say just gather up all of you bot users on a teamspeak or something, and let you all go together since right there, you will end up with a group that can beat the game so much easier then someone who says "come" every few minutes.

"It's the fastest and most respectful way to accomplish what they were originally trying to do."

Which is why I'm against doing so.

I had a similar story... told someone I wanted to kill that ranger Charr in pre that comes out in the Trouble in the Woods mission.

Tell the person wait to talk to Devona until I am set... they say ok.

I watch them run up to Devona and talk... notice the red dots warp in....

I say - did you talk to Devona?

They say yes,...

I say I asked you not to...

They say you don't tell me to do anything, boy.

I say... well, good luck. hit M and go back in to the Abbey.

They message me that I am a #!@#!@ and a !@@$#@!#! and tell me they have stolen my CD-Key and will post it so that it is banned.

Did he have Rurik with him then?

If he did then he would have completed the mission... if he did not he was doing some pre-clearing and could have gone through the rest of the mission including the bonus.

That is one of my favorite missions - I kill all the charr before I get Rurik - then tell him he is afraid of corpses.

Kinda fun.

I had one person tell me that I was going to f-up the mission doing this... he told me that he was going to sabotage the mission... I laughed... watched him try to drag the charr back to us... we ran out of his way watched him die and then completed the mission while he watched.

umm this story just doesn't add up.

In this mission you get to the point that rurrik and that mage want you to ope nte bridge.
Then while passing the river that runs under the bridge you get to speak to the *bonus* npc.
Now you din't specify if people spoke to her/him or not, so i won't talk about that.
But you did say that the party went straight for the gates of the bonus mission in front of the char fire carriers.
And then went trough to the mission.

Well ummm, if they went trough with the mission they would walk on past the bonus npc, put down the bridge with the handle, let rurik and the mage over and follow them to the end zone where you battle char. (or if your a aggro basterd like me, go down to the field with char and commit a mascare)

if you would go for the bonus however you would have to go the other way, back up the path to the back, to the other char camp.

so i find your story lacking of details.
I'm not saying that it isn't true, i'm just saying that what you say doesn't add up.

I have found that the ONLY way to beat the mission is to kill all the charr before letting the mages out and going into the slanted area. LOL! Like you, Cymboric, it's amusing to hear Rurik talk about how he doesn't want to take on that group.

It's easier to take them out when they're on the plain, so to speak, then try to get my eyes to adjust to that horribly slanted room and running back and forth.

And remove the challenge? Wimp I've done that mission five times now, and three of them was with only one other person my level (whatever level you should be for that mission). All of those times I brought the mages to their posts and waited for the charr to attack. It's not that hard.

*snivels* I am a wimp.

Oh well, I figure whatever works, works. I've actually beaten it the "right" way but I find it easier to beat it the....wimpy...way.

A good way to get into a group is to team up with a guildie/friend monk, and join a group together ... everybody wants the monks and they'll take the mesmer or 2 mesmers too if the monk is only coming as part of the set Worked for me (monk) and my mesmer buddies.

Since I play on Europe I've only been to UW/Fissure for one blissful night though, when miraculously we had favor for several hours. haven't seen Europe have favor since