Skill Update Speculation

I do believe the heal party nerf will be PvP only and theyre already working on a AP nerf. And yeah you missed Shadow Form *tried to close can of worms before it gets out of control*

Comparing the nerf-worthiness of skills in pvp to nerf-worthiness of skills in pve is laughable.

lolz, why go after AP? AP doesn't SpeedClear anything. That is a full on party build. It must be that too many people on the Krewe are too busy "showing stones" so they don't have the "stones" enough to put a 15 second cool down on SF? Unless I am getting trolled by KJ, in which case, kudos my man. If it's true though, it is perplexing.

Also, didn't Stumme say that they were delaying the Derv update so they could add new stuff to Costume Brawl? It would be odd that the Derv stuff would be ready so soon after Halloween is over. VoR already got hit with the nerf crotch bat, so why hit it more?

EDIT**How does AP get hit(if it's true) before DwG? DwG was singlehandedly responsible for dropping armbrace prices from 40e in February '10 to 17-20e just before the HoM Calculator showed up.

I've never used Discord for anything, and I'm only 17 areas from finishing the vanquish title, so no worries there. But Heal Party is about the only heal skill on my bar when doing vanq runs, so I'm hoping not.

Either way, like everyone who does or doesn't whine here, I will still be playing next week.

Just add some range changes to HP.

Most of those sound like PvP changes. If they are even true. I just hope they decide to keep the skills split.

An AP nerf in PvE might have bothered me a year ago. But, Ive moved away from Discord and PvE skill spamming, in lieu of more unique/OP hero builds. I find it strange that AP would be nerfed and not Shadow Form, Rt Spirits(specially the solo farming), or even DwG.

Dropping the Dervish Update doesnt seem likely. Anyone remember Mysticism "..." ? Same thing happend a few weeks to a month before Fast Casting changed. Although, I would be happy with tieing AoHM to Mysticism, HoF buff, make the avatars more appealing, and call it a wrap.

What bothers me more are the things not even being rumored. Elementalists cant do much dmg in NM, let alone HM. Paragons have one build in PvE. For a support profession, the variety of support they offer isnt much. Not unless you add 2 or three more Paragons, then it borders on OP(what gives?). Even Rangers could use some love. And with 7 heros on the way, a buff to the smiting line would make sense.

Air seems okay in hard mode. If a player is having a hard time in normal mode with nukes...well...then I don't know what to say.

Assassin's Promise users and Discord heroes are two entirely different things, only related by the fact that they are both strong and AP players can easily cause a hex and a condition.

It wasn't rendered completely useless with the last one.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the skill or the others used with it. The VoR bar is what I tend to favor when I play mesmer, but I don't PvP enough to know why (aside from the fact people are still using it) it would need further nerfing.

Elementalists have been left behind the power creep. I'm not saying they are not useful, cant do any damage, or even obsolete. But, when you compare them to the DPS other casters can do, they are not what they use to be.

I might be old fashioned, but things seem kinda screwy when an ER Ele can out prot a Monk and a Monk with RoJ can substitute for an Eles job. I'm not saying they should nerf ER or RoJ, it just feels wierd.

VoR, Necro hexes, and sins are the biggest gimmicks/problems in GvG right now. They're getting targeted and brought down. That's been pretty much confirmed by almost every player I've talked to on the TK (6-7 of them). Same people are telling me that dervishes aren't getting talked about at all anymore, if any changes are gonna happen it's not gonna be until after Christmas if they happen at all.

Discord generally cannot compete with spiritway without it's enabling of AP/PvE skill spam. Mesmers do more dps even.

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If heal party gets nerfed everyone will be running Ether Prism Ele's instead.

Forgot BBway, it would be like the 3rd nerf to back breaker.

I also want to see Esurge nerfed, I really shouldn't be on my low energy weapon set 99% of of the time...

The issue isnt backbreaker... its the stupid dagger attacks.

its only laughable to those who care about pvp. I play pve, so i don't know which skills need nerfs in pvp nor do i care.

I think you're totally wrong, I beleive the only skill that needs an instant nerf is psychic instability, all other skills seem pretty balanced to me

This is weak. I'm not sure what your point is.

Also, dartboard PvE nerfs? AP enables some very fun (and not really overpowered) builds in PvE. The elite dagger mastery skills have always sucked, so it'll be interesting to see what happens to those I... guess.

Nothing really exciting honestly . Unexpected maybe, but not really exciting.

I dont play GVG sorry, but Some of the guilds that ranked very well in that didnt use VoR or Empathy, and they still seem to have managed better than other teams that were using it. VoR seems to be balanced to me from looking at those results.

Give me any dervish build in PvE that isn't absolutely worthless, and I will give you a build for another profession that does it better. At least Elementalists get ER.

Also, Rangers have it just as hard as Elementalists.