To everyone who says Anet has killed then fun.

Just stop already.

To that question no they haven't killed the fun. They just rid of the builds that took advantage of the game. I give credit to the players that put the builds together in the first place. I think Anet saw those builds much like a "God Mode" cheat in a video game. Where players took very little if no damage. So where the fun in that if you knew you would be unstoppable even if you went into a high level areas. They got rid of them in hopes it would make players actually work together and play/farm an area together instead of alone.

Like many other people have said, Guild Wars has been online for over 4 years now and unlike WoW who adds new content constantly nothing has really change in Guild Wars. There is only so many times someone can play the same thing over and over again before they get bored and stop playing.

All I really see in the chat anymore besides the mindless chatter is "Can someone run me here" "Can someone run the mission for me" or them just asking for a high lvl item. I rarely see "Looking for group to do mission." I remember when I first noticed that Nick was put in the Sulfurous Waste in Nightfall how there where many low lvl people asking to be run to that location from Kamadon and when they where told they had to complete 75% of the game just to get there, they started to throw temper tantrums because they had to play the game.

I personally think the nerfs are just Anets last ditch effort to actually make players play the game and not just rely on one player to do all the work for them, at least until Guild Wars 2 comes out.

and u been a member here 14 days...so guildwars age of less than a year...come back after 3 years.

SC has become a part of the game whether its liked or not...where there is night there is day etc etc if anet didnt want this to happen they wouldnt have invented the sweet boosts or the consets or even half the skills themselves to work with eachother!

but suddenly with 'apparently' 12 months of GW left they remove the part that alot of 3+year old players enjoy (yes there is alot who dont SC i know)...but alot do....i cant understand why unless there trying to get people bedded back into playing balanced for GW2...but even then the skill chains apparently are gonna be different.

i dunno i just think they made this descision far to late and its made thousands...yes thousands (dont ask for proof just think about how many only SC'd and now cant, u will get a rough answer) play this game less than 1 hour a day if not quit al together.

so yeah i am moaning as a game i liked just became stale and boring...imagine buying a ferrari then someone coming and slapping a restricter on it...u would be pissed too.

Yes, and Ursans and Spirit Bonding and 55 monks (the pre-scatter, Protective Bond ones) were also "a part of the game". And they changed. PvP focus was a part of the game, LOTS of things were a part of the game and were changed.

"Online experience may change". Game has been stale and boring for over a year, at least now players might try making new builds instead of one stupid SC build.

Also, many of the 3+ year gamers are either bored with PvE and moved on to PvP, or just left the game.

I really don't think sc are dead, more of just stalled. It's only a matter of time before a build is found that is more pug friendly. (cause a lot of the tweaks out now are not safe enough to trust your hard earned cash with pugs) If you are that determined to speed clear, I would think you would be playing with builds to figure out the next best thing. Those who are up to that challenge are doing just that, and having fun with it at the same time I'm sure. Those that were the pvx variety are the ones moaning because the sc's are "dead"

High five Axeman002 for finding out how long i've been on the forums. I found out about this website not to long ago and tried to steer clear of the forums do to users like you. You troll people who don't agree with your view on something but at the same time you post up a sob story on how you spent all you money on a new computer for Guild Wars and how they broke your heart and now you are quitting PC gaming do to the nerfs just to have the thread closed in less than an hour.

I've been playing Guild Wars for over 3 years now and I seen the game change a lot over the years. It went from people trying to play the game together to just people playing the game alone or having someone do all the work for them.

People were playing guild wars only for grinding titles and pimping their characters for the come of guild wars 2. If Anet isn't willing to add new content to the game, why the f**k would you expect us to do fort ranik each day, just for the fun of it? No new content added= time to farm for our HoM in guild wars 2, I beg you pardon if anybody can reply to that.

@Axeman002
I was actually going to post what I wrote in this thread up into your thread but it got closed before I had a chance to post it.

Well IMO ppl did play without SC's, but now they don't want to play...
It's not that they can't farm or grind. It's still doable, it's just harder. But some people act like they can't even play. GW is a big enough game. If You can't SC - try to play UW, FoW normally.

Isn't it good? No more GODLIKE based gameplay, but more Skill-like...

I understand many people like to play alone. I do. I rather rely on robot henchmen than real people who have no idea what they are doing. I think they wanted to get rid of the builds that aloud people who played alone to just dominate the game.

everything in pve is a joke, so dunno what the prob is

this. new gimmick builds for elite areas are already out. Nothings really changed. Wait a couple weeks for more qq and then a couple months - year for a nerf.

endless cycle

In your analogy, you're buying the ferrari ostensibly because it's fast, so someone coming by and putting a restricter on it would be defeating the point of your purchase. If you bought GW so that you could SC or farm for hours on end, that's your fault, because it's not the point of the game. Adapt to the (plentiful) new SCs, or go play another game. If repetition is fun for you, you need to examine why you found it fun.

i've been playing for almost 3 years now and i agree with some of this but not all. i love toget runs/give runs because its something fun to do in the mindless bordem of endless stuff. and i think the nerfs are to chase off the older players and bring in the new players so they have a new chash influx but thats just me. and if you have seeing wtb runs extra then turn off local chat already shesh!

Time kills the fun. The game degrades. People end up holding on to one or two things that still are somewhat enjoyable. Once ANet gives those the axe, it gives the illusion that there's nothing fun left in the game for them when really, they weren't having a fun experience from the game as a whole in the first place.

For me it stopped being "fun" about a year ago. I didn't start playing until after NF so most of my time was spent getting a lvl20 for each class. Got some chaos gloves for my monk (my main toon) and a tormented shield for my warrior. Other than that, nothing worth much in my inventory. Then after announcing GW2 and the hints of the HoM tying in, I had a new reason to play. I started grinding titles. I had already done UW, FoW, Tombs, The Deep and Urgoz' both in NM and HM with alliance groups. (I've never participated in a SC that I'm aware of.) Managed to get 15 titles on my monk before I burned out on it. Tried to get into higher end PvP but crappy internet and a steep learning curve made it frustrating. I don't like playing games that are frustrating... that's what I'm trying to escape. lol So... I started farming and buying things just to kill time until GW2. I'd still do JQ or 600 a dungeon for fun but I'm nowhere near wealthy. I've always had less than 300k. I started selling any z-keys I'd get (usually no more than 2 or 3 a week) and got to participate twice in the XTH before it was laid to rest. (even bought a second account that's now used for nothing). Now the 600/16-16 is too much trouble to even bother with given the crappy rewards.

Anet didn't kill the fun... they just took away the only reasons I was still playing. Like I said... it stopped being fun a long time ago. I haven't logged in a week.

I agree with Josh. The only problem here is that GW1guru is filled with QQ SF trolls. How many are they? 50? 60 players that whine all the time? The rest dont visit here anymore for that reason. In GW2guru they are afraid that after GW2 comes out all the trolls will move there. It realy is pathetic when i hear statements like "there are only 10 viable builds in the game and Anet nerfed half of them" Try to use your brain for a change. There are no useless skills...just useless minds. And you can see that iam right on that part because of the "whats the best farming build for that?" or "any new SF build?" threads that open up and close all the time.

Plus you have to understand that GW isnt something you need to play all the time. Once you do everything on the PvE side you either PvP only or stop playing till new PvE content is released. It is as simple as that.

Amen to that... I may be new in some aspects of the game but I still seem to understand alot more than some older players in the game some I trust my Char. life to a henchy or a Hero (Preferably hero), because I know at least they are programmed to know moderatley how to protect themselves instead of a tag-along human just wanting to get the gold drops other players actually worked for

First of all, I would like to point out that you are posting in a thread complaining about complainers. I've noticed that there's at least as many, if not more, people QQing about QQers as there people QQing about SF, so get off your high horse. Remember kids, it's only whining when the other person does it.

Second, I almost choked on my drink when I read "there are no useless skills...just useless minds". Get your head out of your ass and give me a break from this snobbery. Someone with your mindset posted the exact same thing several years ago about Persistence of Memory, and was shown to be a complete blowhard because the skill WAS a piece of garbage. Show me those godly builds for Persistence of Memory, Lacerating Chop, Swirling Aura, and all the other equally crappy skills that other skills outclass ten thousand fold. You say they aren't useless, so show me the builds for them. They MUST have a use, right?

The funny thing is I sort of agreed with some of your post, but the "I'm better than you" aura coming from it just stank to the high heavens.

Constructive critisism and QQing are two completely diferent things. Although the "Use your brain" part yeah that was kinda trolling :P

Ofcourse they have a use. For expample Swirling Aura can be used on spesific missions when you face tons of ranged attackers. They seem useless for general use but for specific situations they are damn jewels. One of the fun side of GW is that you can modify your character and heroes to face every situation.

Its more like "i try harder than you" than "iam better".

I always blamed the bad stuff in GW purely on the players. Hell, i wouldn't even notice the stuff that is always complained about here because i just accept the game in whatever state it's currently in and then have a ball with it. I just love it for what it is.