Banned for selling fame for INGAME money.

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niek2004
niek2004
Krytan Explorer
#1
Recently I have been permanently banned for selling fame for ingame money, i cudnt find any of this in the ula or code of conduct. Maybe someone here can help me find where it is. I've read it over 4 times now.

These are the emails i sent to anet and the responces i got

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Customer (XXXXXXXXXX) 04/24/2009 12:01 PM
Hello,

Today during a gvg my account was permanently banned, I got kicked out of the gvg and when i tried to reconnect, i was banned. I can only guess why this happened. Perhaps becouse moments before we went in the gvg I borrewed a Voltiac Spear from a guildy? I would love to get some answers as to why I am banned.

Please send me the reason why I have been banned.

regards,
XXXX
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Response (GM Leonie) 04/24/2009 03:20 PM
Hello Gregor,

Thank you very much for contacting the Guild Wars Customer Support Team.

After investigating the reported issue, we can confirm that your account has rightfully been suspended from our service as a result of a violation of our rules that you agreed to when you first launched Guild Wars. Specifically, your account was suspended for:

- Offering illegal fame-farming service

The details of this incident are on record and we can confirm that we will not remove the suspension from your account.

For your reference, the detailed rules and regulations can be found on our official website: http://www.guildwars.com/support/legal/

Thank you for your patience and cooperation in this matter.

Regards,

GM Leonie
Guild Wars Customer Support
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Customer (XXXXXXXXXXX) 04/24/2009 03:34 PM
Dear GM,

After your previous responce, I have carefully read the code of conduct again, and I think a serious error has been made.

The bannable offence that came the closest to what you described was, and I quote:

" Selling services of any kind—including such things as "runs" through portions of the game—for real-world currency."

I did not do this, you see, I "Sold" 10 fame, for ingame money, which is not real-world currency.
You can compare this with people running you through missions.

If selling fame for ingame money is a bannable offence can you please qoute the part of the code of conduct which sais so.

I hope you will read this in time, and that you give me an answer, becouse I really want to play this months mAT.

Kind Regards,
XXXXXXXXXXXXX
Anyone know anything about this?
Lyphen
Lyphen
Lion's Arch Merchant
#2
http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php

While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.
Zinger314
Zinger314
Debbie Downer
#3
That's because ArenaNet will soon sell 10,000 Fame for $10, and you're interfering with their future profits. :v
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FoxBat
Furnace Stoker
#4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyphen View Post
Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder.
7 good players letting 1 buyer "ride" them is not match manipulation.
niek2004
niek2004
Krytan Explorer
#5
Im not manipulating ladder, this is HA. They just join my team, win a lot, get loads of fame, and pay me.

Latest responce made me wonder, do they even read my question?
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Response (GM Leonie) 04/24/2009 04:43 PM
Hello Gregor,

Please keep in mind that Guild Wars is a global game with hundreds of thousands of players. This means that standards of behaviour must be upheld. For your convenience, you can obtain more information in our "Rules of Conduct" and "Conduct Breaches & Outcomes" pages, which are listed below.

- Rules of Conduct: http://eu.guildwars.com/support/arti...es_of_conduct/
- Conduct Breaches & Outcomes: http://eu.guildwars.com/support/arti..._and_outcomes/

We hope that you will understand why the account block was necessary.

Regards,

GM Leonie
Guild Wars Customer Support
Lyphen
Lyphen
Lion's Arch Merchant
#6
The EU site's version is even more vague, but applies through not playing in good faith, I suppose:

Engaging in PvP match manipulation, disrupting a PvP match by not actively playing in good faith, or any other form of PvP griefing, exploitation, or abuse.
maraxusofk
maraxusofk
Desert Nomad
#7
LOL that sounds retarded. What is next? Banning people because they purchase runs to get through the game faster?
M
Malice Black
Site Legend
#8
That'll be the end of fame farming then, as people who've been doing it a while won't want to lose all their $$ will they.

Fame farming 100k per point! No GM's!

Getting fame farmed is pathetic anyway. Any numpty with half a braincell can knock up wins in HA.
Junato
Junato
Lion's Arch Merchant
#9
Classic case of not reading the contract before signing kind of situation. All I have to say if thanks for the insight.
Feathermoore Rep
Feathermoore Rep
Krytan Explorer
#10
Uhhh tons of people have bought and sold fame, by taking lesser players with them on runs. Its known fact. I've heard nothing about anyone else being banned or asked to stop, so why start now???

By no means is this different than running a mission its just pve vs pvp. And how is it disrupting game play, if the other team gets beat by the fame farm spike, then obviously they weren't good enough to beat a real team, farm spike or not.

Edit- Oh, And if they aren't playing a farm spike to get the fame, then obviously the player has some remote knowledge and working of the game in order for the team to have success.
Faer
Faer
La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo
#11
So when are they going to retroactively ban everyone that had max armor and/or elites in the Ascalon Arena?
K
Killed u man
Forge Runner
#12
So someone going afk because he has to go take a piss, thus disrupting the match for his team, and not acting in good faith of the PvP match should get banned?

How about people abusing overpowered builds? Are they not causing grief to other people who refuse to abuse clearly imbalanced mechanics/builds (Bspam).

Anet can take their EULA and shove it up their ass with all it's double standards and vague descriptions of what is banneable and whatnot.


Bottom line is:

If "running" someone through HA, which is nothing more than a MISSION, is bannable, then so should running someone through ANY mission be.

It makes no sense they banned this guy for it, and I'm kinda ticked off, as I've sold fame before aswell.

It's pretty sad when people get banned for "small stuff", such as cusing. It's downright pathetic when they start banning people for stuff that's not even "illegal".
Empress Amarox
Empress Amarox
Krytan Explorer
#13
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. No matter how much I wanted to laugh at you and tell you that you got what you deserved, it's just too stupid to do that. You don't deserve a ban for that, it's an in-game service.

What are they going to ban next, runners?
r
riktw
Wilds Pathfinder
#14
mail again, this is some lame ban.
i dont dare to run droks now, thay will ban me xD
Z
Zahr Dalsk
Grotto Attendant
#15
Thanks for making this thread, gave me a good laugh.

You got owned.
Sarevok Thordin
Sarevok Thordin
Desert Nomad
#16
PvP is supposed to be competitive play. Not letting Uncle Louie's nephew join the team for silverware.
Junato
Junato
Lion's Arch Merchant
#17
I wonder if a person from ArenaNet actually played with you and personally banned you.
Shadowfox1125
Shadowfox1125
Forge Runner
#18
I remember when a fame-farming service was offered here for in-game money and no one was against it.. when did it become illegal? I was under the impression that it was valid since it was similar to offering runs.
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belladonna shylock
Wilds Pathfinder
#19
First off, use spell check when you send emails to anyone. Second, you were a little demanding when you sent that email. It's okay to inquire, but to demand is never good to do. I wouldn't have sent you a respond back if you had sent me an email of that quality.

The way I see it is, you're taking advantage of someone who can't find a team. You cannot argue "well i'm doing this because person XYZ does not want to grind the title". You can't argue that because they have to grind the points if they pay or not. That person has to have a team to play and you're charging them to be on your team. Are you and everyone else on the team benefiting if XYZ is on or not on the team? Yes. You get fame. Is he at a disadvantage if he's on the team in terms of everyone else? Yes. It's a lose/lose situation for him. and a win/win for you.

But then again, maybe you got banned because you did a gold transaction with out giving up anything and then you went into GVG at a fame farming rank.

One they are nicking you because you are taking advantage of a HA minority and the other assume the gold was traded for champ point fame.

Either way, taking advantage of someone who can't find a team is pretty crappy in my book. Good luck!
lewis91
lewis91
Wilds Pathfinder
#20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314 View Post
That's because ArenaNet will soon sell 10,000 Fame for $10, and you're interfering with their future profits. :v
Correction:

10 Fame $9.99