Little destroyer help.

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Desert Nomad

Me/

Joined Jan 2007

Aug 25, 2008 at 12:53 PM • #1

So yeah, Destoyers are pretty much able to go right through blocking so I figure the only good way to prevent damage from the melee and rangers (not worried about the spellcasters at all) Is to give Vekk Blinding surge. Seems to work ok but he doesn't really spread it THAT good.

Is there any other hero builds that can prevent melee damage since blocking is almost out of the question. I am a RT btw.

Nemesis of God

Lion's Arch Merchant

Azura Empire [AE]

Mo/E

Joined Jan 2008

Aug 25, 2008 at 12:58 PM • #2

SabWay + Imbagon = answer to all problems.

ajc2123

Desert Nomad

Me/

Joined Jan 2007

Aug 25, 2008 at 1:00 PM • #3

Quote: Originally Posted by Nemesis of God

SabWay + Imbagon = answer to all problems. .....Sabway uses blocking and requires all 3 of my hero slots. Imbagons can only be run by humans. Sorry not what I need.

Lest121

Wilds Pathfinder

Army of Darkness

A/Mo

Joined Apr 2007

Aug 25, 2008 at 1:00 PM • #4

Quote: Originally Posted by Nemesis of God

SabWay + Imbagon = answer to all problems. Add Ursan and you have a Super team.........oh wait by bad.

Ate of DK

Wilds Pathfinder

None but Fools [nuts]

Joined Oct 2005

Aug 25, 2008 at 1:04 PM • #5

I always used a Minion Master, a SS/insidious/weakness spammer and a Lightning Elementalist (Blinding) for heroes. In NM and HM it was pretty much flaweless. YThe minions catch a lot of damage. Hope that helps, gl.

Nightow

Forge Runner

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

Joined Feb 2006

Aug 25, 2008 at 1:06 PM • #6

The thing about sabway and destroyers is that they tend to have very little condition or hex removal. If you really dislike Sabway, I'd still bring 1 Curses Necro and then maybe a BSurge Ele.

Targuil

Krytan Explorer

Keep Dreaming [Yawn]

Joined Oct 2007

Aug 25, 2008 at 1:10 PM • #7

Enfeebling blood. End of story.

Angmar Kapitanya

Pre-Searing Cadet

Becsület Bajnokai[BB]

Joined Jul 2008

Aug 25, 2008 at 1:33 PM • #8

Weaken Armor(AoE cracked armor) ftw!

Widowmaker

Krytan Explorer

Joined Mar 2008

Aug 25, 2008 at 1:34 PM • #9

[Ebon Dust Aura] + [Volley]

[Enfeebling Blood] + [Reckless Haste]

[Ineptitude] + [Epidemic]

All the above will work as a good starting platform for a hero build.

You'll find [scourge healing] to work very well against destroyer's Inner Fire as they use it all the time, rather than just when their health is low.

Nightow

Forge Runner

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

Joined Feb 2006

Aug 25, 2008 at 1:39 PM • #10

Quote: Originally Posted by Widowmaker

You'll find [scourge healing] to work very well against destroyer's Inner Fire as they use it all the time, rather than just when their health is low. [Soul Bind] > [scourge healing]

121212Gah!

Zidane Ortef

Site Contributor

Scions of Carver [SCAR]/Trinity Of The Ascended [ToA]

Joined Dec 2006

Aug 25, 2008 at 1:45 PM • #11

Quote: Originally Posted by ajc2123

.....Sabway uses blocking and requires all 3 of my hero slots. Imbagons can only be run by humans. Sorry not what I need. RT+Sabway should be all you need. When I do stuff on my Rit I take the spot of the N/Rt healer and replace it with either a WoH/Hybrid or just whatever.

If you fail with sabway your doing it wrong.

You:

[build prof=Ritualist/Any Template Code="OACiEyi8INncCPM2484OMvYA" box desc="Restoration Magic 12+1+3"{br}Channeling Magic 12][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Spirit Transfer][Splinter Weapon][Life][Offering of Spirit][Protective Was Kaolai][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]

Heros:

[build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist Template Code="OAhjYwHc4Q5BCN2BlB7OYgVVJXA" box desc="Curses 12+1+3{br}Soul Reaping 12{br}Restoration Magic 3"][Spiteful Spirit][Reckless Haste][Enfeebling Blood][Barbs][Rip Enchantment][Pure Was Li Ming][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Pact Signet][/build]

[build prof=Necromancer/Monk Template Code="OANDUsldOVB0wS1oVVVqTf0I" box desc="Death Magic 12+1+3{br}Soul Reaping 9{br}Healing Prayers 9"][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Jagged Bones][Dwayna's Sorrow][Signet of Lost Souls][Feast for the Dead][Cure Hex][Resurrection Chant][/build]

[build prof=Monk/Elementalist Template Code="OwYT02nCzRjsR20Ij7a9Y6LTAA" box desc="Healing Prayers 11+1+3{br}Protection Prayers 10{br}Divine Favor 9][Word of Healing][Dwayna's Kiss][Dismiss Condition][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Shield of Absorption][Protective Spirit][Cure Hex][Rebirth][/build]

or if Healing isn't your thing and you like dmg

You:

[build prof=Ritualist/Mesmer Template Code="OAWiIykMVO5NhxwCuEYDechxBA" box desc="Channeling Magic 12+1+3{br}Spawning Power 12][Bloodsong][Ancestors' Rage][Splinter Weapon][Ether Nightmare][Arcane Echo][Cry of Pain][Offering of Spirit][Sunspear Rebirth Signet][/build]

Heros:

[build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist Template Code="OAhjYwHc4Q5BCN2BlB7OYgVVJXA" box desc="Curses 12+1+3{br}Soul Reaping 12{br}Restoration Magic 3"][Spiteful Spirit][Reckless Haste][Enfeebling Blood][Barbs][Rip Enchantment][Pure Was Li Ming][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Pact Signet][/build]

[build prof=Necromancer/Monk Template Code="OANDUsldOVB0wS1oVVVqTf0I" box desc="Death Magic 12+1+3{br}Soul Reaping 9{br}Healing Prayers 9"][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Jagged Bones][Dwayna's Sorrow][Signet of Lost Souls][Feast for the Dead][Cure Hex][Resurrection Chant][/build]

[build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist Template Code="OAhiYwh8YtlmTOh3wccWVTuA" box desc="Soul Reaping 12+1+1{br}Restoration Magic 12"][Xinrae's Weapon][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Spirit Transfer][Protective Was Kaolai][Life][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Pact Signet][/build]

NOTE: Xinrae's Code is not updated it should be linked to Restoration Magic and read:

For 8 seconds, the next time target ally takes damage from a foe that damage is limited to 5% of that ally's max Health and that ally steals up to 20...68 Health from that foe.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

The German Order [GER]

Joined Jun 2006

Aug 25, 2008 at 1:50 PM • #12

Quote: Originally Posted by ajc2123

Is there any other hero builds that can prevent melee damage since blocking is almost out of the question. I am a RT btw. Necromancers with weakness work pretty well. [Enfeebling Blood]

You can always complement it with "Poor Mans Imbagon": Warriror or paragon hero with high tactics and [Watch Yourself!].

Widowmaker

Krytan Explorer

Joined Mar 2008

Aug 25, 2008 at 1:52 PM • #13

Quote: Originally Posted by Nightow

[Soul Bind] > [scourge healing]

121212Gah! One is an elite, one isn't; It depends on the rest of your build which is better for the situation.

But yes, if you can both get [Soul Bind] and have a suitable hero build it is a good choice against destroyers.

Zidane Ortef

Site Contributor

Scions of Carver [SCAR]/Trinity Of The Ascended [ToA]

Joined Dec 2006

Aug 25, 2008 at 1:58 PM • #14

Quote: Originally Posted by Widowmaker

One is an elite, one isn't; It depends on the rest of your build which is better for the situation.

But yes, if you can both get [Soul Bind] and have a suitable hero build it is a good choice against destroyers. [build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist Template Code="OAhjYwHc4Q5BCN2BlB7OYgVVJXA" box desc="Curses 12+1+3{br}Soul Reaping 12{br}Restoration Magic 3"][Soul Bind][Reckless Haste][Enfeebling Blood][Barbs][Rip Enchantment][Pure Was Li Ming][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Pact Signet][/build]

[build prof=Necromancer/Monk Template Code="OANDUsldOVB0wS1oVVVqTf0I" box desc="Death Magic 12+1+3{br}Soul Reaping 9{br}Healing Prayers 9"][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Jagged Bones][Dwayna's Sorrow][Signet of Lost Souls][Feast for the Dead][Cure Hex][Resurrection Chant][/build]

[build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist Template Code="OAhiYwh8YtlmTOh3wccWVTuA" box desc="Soul Reaping 12+1+1{br}Restoration Magic 12"][Xinrae's Weapon][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Spirit Transfer][Protective Was Kaolai][Life][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Pact Signet][/build]

What What Modified Sabway What????

NOTE: Xinrae's Code is not updated it should be linked to Restoration Magic and read:

For 8 seconds, the next time target ally takes damage from a foe that damage is limited to 5% of that ally's max Health and that ally steals up to 20...68 Health from that foe.

and

Soul Bind: For 30 seconds, every time target foe is healed, the healer takes 20...68 damage. This hex ends if target is suffering from a Smiting Prayers hex.

Widowmaker

Krytan Explorer

Joined Mar 2008

Aug 25, 2008 at 2:11 PM • #15

Meh, forget it. I've added a few options anyway.

Zidane Ortef

Site Contributor

Scions of Carver [SCAR]/Trinity Of The Ascended [ToA]

Joined Dec 2006

Aug 25, 2008 at 2:20 PM • #16

Quote: Originally Posted by Widowmaker Some problem you want to get off your chest? Some reason for that beyond the need to try and impress yourself?

Oh, but wait, the OP doesn't seem to want Sabway...

Now that causes a problem.

I don't know as we have even established if the OP can run a full Sabway team with the three necro.

Now I know this may hurt to know, but I believe I was offering options which is what the OP was looking for. There are many ways to skin a destroyer and not all of them require Sabway.
Take not that my first build setup doesn't req. all three necros only two and hes got EoTN so he can get Livia, NF has Masters and NF+Proph has Masters and Olais so as long as he doesn't just have Factions and EotN he is fine.

As for the OP sabway Quote:

Originally Posted by ajc2123

.Sabway uses blocking and requires all 3 of my hero slots. to me it seems that hes either confused about Sabway or has along the way picked up some really bad Sabway Setups as there are many out there if i recall the ones posted on PvXwiki are utter shit which is why I took the time out of my schedule to type out the Coding for the build so he could just copy and paste, because Sabway has no blocking in it at all just synergy with each other.

Now for the impressing I was unaware that showing the flexibility of Sabway in many locations of the game was impressing. Then you got me on that one.

Nightow

Forge Runner

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

Joined Feb 2006

Aug 25, 2008 at 2:26 PM • #17

Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane Ortef

[build prof=Necromancer/Monk Template Code="OANDUsldOVB0wS1oVVVqTf0I" box desc="Death Magic 12+1+3{br}Soul Reaping 9{br}Healing Prayers 9"][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Jagged Bones][Dwayna's Sorrow][Signet of Lost Souls][Feast for the Dead][Cure Hex][Resurrection Chant][/build]

What What Modified Sabway What???? [build prof=N/Mo name="Jagged Prot" box Death=12+3+1 Soul=9+1 Prot=9][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Jagged Bones][Aegis][Protective Spirit][Blood of the Master][Signet of Lost Souls][No Skill][/build]

I'd much rather have more prot than healing.

Zidane Ortef

Site Contributor

Scions of Carver [SCAR]/Trinity Of The Ascended [ToA]

Joined Dec 2006

Aug 25, 2008 at 2:33 PM • #18

Quote: Originally Posted by Nightow

[build prof=N/Mo name="Jagged Prot" box Death=12+3+1 Soul=9+1 Prot=9][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Jagged Bones][Aegis][Protective Spirit][Blood of the Master][Signet of Lost Souls][No Skill][/build]

I'd much rather have more prot than healing. [build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist Template Code="OAhjYwHc4Q5BCN2BlB7OYgVVJXA" box desc="Curses 12+1+3{br}Soul Reaping 12{br}Restoration Magic 3"][Spiteful Spirit][Reckless Haste][Enfeebling Blood][Barbs][Rip Enchantment][Pure Was Li Ming][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Pact Signet][/build]

[build prof=Necromancer/Monk Template Code="OANDUsldOVB0wS1oVVVqTf0I" box desc="Death Magic 12+1+3{br}Soul Reaping 9{br}Healing Prayers 9"][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Jagged Bones][Dwayna's Sorrow][Signet of Lost Souls][Feast for the Dead][Cure Hex][Resurrection Chant][/build]

[build prof=Monk/Elementalist Template Code="OwYT02nCzRjsR20Ij7a9Y6LTAA" box desc="Healing Prayers 11+1+3{br}Protection Prayers 10{br}Divine Favor 9][Word of Healing][Dwayna's Kiss][Dismiss Condition][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Shield of Absorption][Protective Spirit][Cure Hex][Rebirth][/build]

That set up has plenty of Prot. The build you posted was the Sabway before a few AI updates. Also [Blood of the Master] on a Jagged Bomber? Getting them killed is what you want so wasting the time and health to heal them isn't the main purpose of a Jagged Bomber

Widowmaker

Krytan Explorer

Joined Mar 2008

Aug 25, 2008 at 2:33 PM • #19

Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane Ortef Now for the impressing I was unaware that showing the flexibility of Sabway in many locations of the game was impressing. Then you got me on that one. I would be referring to the need to add:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zidane Ortef

What What Modified Sabway What???? This is there for what purpose?

I simply said that if you have a suitable build it is a good choice, I never said there were no suitable builds nor did I suggest he shouldn't take it.

Zidane Ortef

Site Contributor

Scions of Carver [SCAR]/Trinity Of The Ascended [ToA]

Joined Dec 2006

Aug 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM • #20

Quote: Originally Posted by Widowmaker

I would be referring to the need to add:

This is there for what purpose?

I simply said that if you have a suitable build it is a good choice, I never said there were no suitable builds nor did I suggest he shouldn't take it. Because I wanted to make it short and simple and didn't feel like writing another book.