I know it's been beaten to death..

I didn't want to revive some old thread somewhere in the trenches, but I have (yet another) argument against Ursan Blessing, but this is one which, so far, I have not seen anyone else mention (and I did look around a bit before doing this).

Let me get this straight, I do not hate Ursan really, even though I myself do not use it. But it's existence makes it harder for me to find groups to play the game and have fun (because I do not use the skill, nor do I want to work on the rank because I don't find it fun).

So as for the argument held by some that Ursan "brings people together", it also sets people apart, and excludes those that want to use an array of cleverly thought-out builds to have fun. This is my main concern.

Ursan is only fun once you go through the drudgery of getting your rank up. But for those of use who refuse to spend hours of our lives doing mindless farming in the same area with the same quest active, what can we do to play the high-level PvE areas without Ursan Blessing? With the advent of this skill, it's hard to find non-Ursan groups, everyone thinks your crazy not to use it, but I myself, and many others out there as well, do not want to use Ursan Blessing because we still enjoy coming up with clever builds and using our professions "properly". Sadly though, even though many of us do hold this view, we don't stay in high level areas long enough to form groups or find others like ourselves because as soon as we see everyone asking for Ursan and turning non-Ursans away, we give up instantly.

Ursan has actually killed my love of PvE, not because I hate the skill, not because I think it's "unfair", and not because it's "easy" (yet time consuming) to acquire: But because it excludes me and others from some certain things we used to enjoy because of our lack of interest in a single PvE-only skill. This one skill is a lockout to an avenue of fun that has now seemingly been closed off for some of us. Not to mention people are so rude if you don't have r"x" Ursan.. It's sad the community became like this.

So let me ask you all: Should a group of r10 Ursans give me a chance with my build and include me in the "fun" if I don't have a high rank in Ursan and cannot find for the life of me, a single other person to adventure with?

If this kind of development continues in GW2, I think ArenaNet is going to lose a lot of customers, including myself.

NOTE BEFORE YOU REPLY: I am not "bashing" Ursan or anyone who uses it. These observations were made by me by playing the game and expresses some concerns that I have. I'm not hating on anything, but pointing out how Ursan Blessing has affected my way of playing the game in a profound way due to the extremely high popularity and strength of the skill at high ranks on the title track (and people like me don't have the kind of time to devote to such a title track). BTW, I've had Guild Wars from day one, I'm one of the veteran players of old, so I've been around.

I'm interested what people have to say about my stance on the subject in particular, I've heard all the other ones before. This idea of exclusion of non-Ursans and the scarcity of "regular" groups because of this skill is what I would like to discuss.

Another Ursan QQ thread.

Its up to them who they have in their group, they shouldn't give you a chance if you aren't running something they want. "Ursan" generally refers to 6 Ursans and 2 monks. Would you join a group thats asking for a SS Necromancer despite being an Ele "because you have a good build"?

It's a problem with people, not with the skill itself. As it was mentioned a million of times, then was class discrimination and some classes struggling to find a group.

If people missuse what they were given it's people to blame.

I don't know how it is that people are finding it so difficult to team up with players that aren't using Ursan Blessing. There are plenty of people doing HM PvE stuff without this skill.

Hey ever go to DoA before?

Find me a Ranger in a group there before Ursan :x


UW?

Dervish's in UW before Ursan?



No one is stopping you from getting a group of friends/guild members/random people together to make a non-ursan group.

Ursan is dominating the Pve community and I can't really blame those people for using it,because it's fast and easy to play.

I think it's sad really that A-net is allowing people to experience they're game like this, because there is no skill or teamplay required at all to get results.

But's it's not only Ursan,there are a lot more of pve only skills or godly pve skills that need to be nerfed to hell and back, because dumbing up a game like this can't be challenging and fun to play right?

And yes Elite God, rangers were being used in Doa often enough.
I don't know how often U played there,but I bet if you focus a bit less on one skill, well who knows maybe you'll be able to play a few other builds as well.

Anyways I think it's kinda sad to see the game fade away like this...just my 2 cents here.

I was in a group with my Ranger before Ursan. Splinter Barrage or a BiP. Or in a trio with monks as a spirit spammer/bonder.

D/E megatank with lol amounts of armor and wtf regeneration.


See, there were options.

After reading many QQing threads about ursan. This reply got me so angry that I must post a comment to f*** him/her rite in the ar*e.

Before the days of pve only skills being available (yes I got GW a few weeks after it was launch). The so-called elite areas got to be TOPK & SF. If u ain't the holy trinity (for all those idiot QQers, u would definately know what the holy trinity is) u don't get to join the group. So where is the "fun" & "challenge" u r f***ing about?

My only/main toon is a monk & yes, it belongs to the holy trinity. It wasn't difficult for me to find a group back then & it hasn't changed much now. I played with ursans & ur so called "fun" & "challenging" team builds & TBH, both ain't that different. I'll have to agree with u that it is faster. But the main thing is, if not used properly, an ursan team will also get thrashed. I know u will quote all those examples on guru or in-game. boasting about the speed & ease. But monking for both types of groups, I had my fair share of idiots/noobs/flamers/egoists failing from these 2 groups.

Last thing for QQers. If u don't like it (ursan) don't use it. Responding to the OP also. Yes, I have a max norn because I do a lot of "mindless" farming & no, I don't use Ursan if the normal builds are more effective. e.g. the deep (if u don't believe me u can always try it out)

join an HM PVE Guild and quit it with all the QQing. Honestly, I could scoop up all the QQ ursan tears and drink 'em from a mug. Believe me, it's not that hard to find non-ursan groups if you're in a HM PVE guild.

Your reasons sound fair but I don't believe it lol.

What i'm seeing in skills like Ursan is a big fu from Arena-net to the people who have been playing this game from the very start.

You know, sell a few more copy's,milk the cow dry before it drops dead by dumbing up the game.

Don't you get it? There are hundreds of skills out there and you and every1 else are using the lamest of them all.

You don't know anything about me... who's whining and bitching here?
I can imagine that your angry though 'cos your using this special skill meant for chimps...you know it,I know it.

It's not like a guild is non-stop there for the vacation, and I can't command everyone ,,I WANT TO GO TO DOA, NOW!!!''. I mean I could, but who knows how long I would stay there after 3-4 such shouts.

And it's again about ignore =/= solving of the problem. If a child is getting F's in a school, you will ignore it? Really? God, hope you will never become a parent.

Look in one of the long threads. This idea has been done. The DL/DU idea has been done. All this may be moot if they adjust the skill soon, as Regina hinted.

Anyone that starts something with "I don't mean to....but..." or "I don't want this...but...", KNOWS where it's going, but does the thread anyway from ego. There are plenty of threads out there. Use them.

I think one of the big problems is that people try to be more effective in the game instead of trying to have more fun.
No one will accept a slower way of doing things anymore.

Whats the point of grinding in a game anyway?

I agree with you fully. I play a paragon and mesmer, and although I am currently r7 norn because I want to HoM the title, I am getting tired of this bullshit.
Everywhere I go, GLF 5 R10 URSAN AND 2 HB MONK!
I myself use ursan sometimes, and will admit, that it can be good in team builds such as the infamous "Spiteful Bear" team build. But if it gets so out of hand where even my guildies are succumbing to this bullshit, then I'd rather have the skill removed. Guild Wars is not intended to be a grind fest and unless you're like me and wants to fill HoM, grinding to rank 10 is insanity just to get in a stupid group for DoA!

Dude, it takes like a weekend to max your norn title (a week or 2 doing a couple runs a day).

As for ursan, you'll get over it.

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why dont we all just go dress up like bears and head for Anet HQ out of protest, you could even call pedobear to join the party....maybe theyll remove/nerf it then....or laugh at you and buff it......

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srsly im getting tired of this stuff.....*bigyawn*

Because its so strong people want to have the Ursan Skill and buy EotN and that way they bring more money in the pockets of Anet. Admit it, if you want to pug High-End NF you have to buy EotN. It's ridiculous..

if you don't wanna use ursan, and dont have enough friends/guildies interested in going with you, you can always h/h it.
to answer your question, no, ursanway groups are under no obligation, moral or otherwise, to let you into the group as anything other than an ursan or a monk. the ability to play with other people is a privilege, not a right, under the condition that you are willing either to submit to a group's requirements or start one of your own.

Not putting the OP down, but we have had this problem in the "elit areas" since UW/FoW and SF went live.
The only difference is that now it is not the Mesmer or the Smiter Monk that gets left out of pug's. NO, now we have a much more serious problem, the players that are used to be included in Pug's are not willing to do the adjustments that they demanded others to do and get left out. Sorry guy's but shoes come in both left and right configuration.

One argument that was always used before when people complained about new or changed skills was:
GW is an evolving game, change is good, evolve with it, or get left behind.