Rank 12 Zaishen Title - an Analysis

I might just have to state some obvious words:

If you plan to get the title, best of luck to you.
If you plan to not get the title, then just don't.

If you plan to complain about how people are able to get a title by means of outside the game activity, just don't. In the end, let idiots be idiots and well mannered people do what they do too.

If you're not having fun, don't play the game.

Do you know what NGE means?

There's a company out there that became infamous using this passive stance. To this day, every MMO developer keeps repeating they will never pull an NGE on their community.

There are lessons to be learned there. Shame that some still insist on repeating the same mistakes over and over.

Anet recently mentioned it as well. Oh, the irony....

NGE arghhhhhh did you have to even mention NGE omg omg omg the best game ever I played got hit by NGE and it tore me apart and ripped me to pieces and I swore NEVER EVER to play another pay to play game afterwards. Yes, it was SWG's who ruined many lives and gaming pleasures with an NGE. Still get a lil queazy everytime I see those letters.

a guru thread in which i read the whole of the first post ..welldone

thanks to anyone trying to max z title since I'm making a killing off the keys

I just want to say Frank, that people are selling keys for ectos as well, so it won't be that hard to turn ectos into keys as you can trade 1 for 1.

Dont know if anyone posted about this today, but theres a r10 in pre atm spamming there emote.

Many posters have pointed out that I failed to factor in proceeds from the sale of the chest drops. I definitely missed this (I have only gotten crap from the chest so it never crossed my mind lol). But someone trying to max this title would inevitably get some rare stuff that could contribute quite alot of keys.

As such I have revised the OP with an estimate of 20% return. Honestly I can't see it being higher than that (that number is a guess based on some wikidata that I massaged).

BTW if anyone has good data regarding the true rate of return over a large number of drops, I will include that in my post.


This is an excellent point - I know a large chunk of the population is spending all of its money on maxing titles, and since this one is basically unattainable it will not be on the list. However, the chest does offer some very unique stuff (especially the new everlasting tonics) and the current glut in supply is based on a 6+ month surplus. IMO demand and supply will come back into line preventing the precipitous drop you predict.

However your point is well taken ... I have modified the OP to a long-term estimate of 4.5 plat per key.

I think there are lots of people out there willing to sell off the keys they have gotten so far to those willing to buy this title....now how long it takes to get to the chest and open it and rinse repeat to get the title is more interesting to me than how people will manage to get enough keys to do said activity. .....

About the difficulty of liquidating assets to get keys. Here's a thought:

WTT stacks of [250] Ectos for [250] ZKeys

Much faster, the people buying probably have lots of high-end currenct, and the people selling keys by the stack probably want high-end currency anyway. The numbers could be adjusted as the prices of the two change, but right now they're both at about 5k so 1:1 trades are a possibility. Trading keys for armbraces (maybe at 8 or 9 per stack) would also work. This way, the only things that would need to be liquidated would be rare minis or other "high end" goods with astronomical values (unless key sellers wanted these).

WTS Everlasting Ghost Tonic 300 ZKey?

What would be interesting (and probably never happen) is if ZKeys became another high-end currency on par with ectos

Oh My God...

I think this pretty much owned all of that analysis.

I think ever since zaishen keys came out, I would've gotten around 10000 zaishen points for all the keys I got, if that gives a scale of how easy it is if you pool keys together in a guild.

well.. r10 is 7200 keys.... if u look on the zaishen drop forum..someone on there over i think 4444 keys but it was before the title was out..so i suppose it could be possible for someone to get thus only if they had been saving there keys

This is something I toudhed on in the OP but probably didn't give enough merit.

You are in dR - you guys make loads of RP. If there are players in your guild (or any of the other top guilds) willing to give away or pool together their RP ... then yes the recipient could get to the top quickly.

selling 249 zkeys 12k ea

Nice, informative post.

I don't PvP so I didn't realize how hard it would be to obtain the keys through Balthazar faction, and had no idea about the quantity of tournament reward points given out.

Thanks for the writeup.

Funny thing is somewhere out there is saying
"OMFG what a great deal"

The title is clearly aimed at high-end PvP-ers. Look, the whole point of the changes is clearly to provide SOME in-game reward of consequence for winning monthly ATs. Whether the PvP community decides to collect cash from PvE-ers or decides to pursue the title remains to be seen. I consider the former to be a more likely outcome, at least at first.

There's nothing wrong with this in principle. Clearly it's supposed to be an accomplishment to max that title.

As for buying the title - there are a lot more players out there with thousands or tens of thousands of ecto in assets than you all seem to think.

Someone will max this title quickly. There are enough players out there that could go on a massive spending spree to max this title that it's a virtual certainty that someone will choose to do so.

As for "legitimate" means of maxing it: you need 100 million Balth faction to do it purely with faction; Halls wins provide one key each, monthly AT wins provide 300, daily wins provide about 20.

If done purely with faction, you'd need 1,000,000 daily in faction to do it in just over three months. Eek. Key proceeds can defray that a bit; AT wins can knock a much larger hole in it. Still, figure over 30 months to get it done at the effective rate of 100k faction daily.

lol Rank 10 might be around 7,000 keys.. but rank 12 is 200,000 keys.


so good luck anyone.

atleat I think it was 200,000..

Nobody who earned their money the legit way would waste that kind of cash on a stupid title/emote.