Is it okay to buy expensive items for cheap from noobs?

Sure, but whereas in these games the players are in the public eye and actual real and substantial harm can become from their immoral actions, in Gws the anonymity and absolute dead-end lack of any kind of actual harm to a person renders it such a pointless debate.

If a person expresses after such a trade that they have in fact been deeply upset by their unknowing sell, then you would clearly be a real goon by not setting it right. In that situation, I would not even think twice.

Any offer that's accepted is just a trade, it's just a game and no matter how cheap you think that 'excuse' to be, it stands by itself.

Another one. Your morals don't stretch as far as causing personal insult to someone for the sake of putting your point across? You're clearly a really good person.

I totally agree with this.

Alot depends on my mood that day, some days, I just feel like making a tidy profit be damned what happens, other days I am in a good mood and I will help someone understand the actual value of the item they are trying to sell.

QFT Totally agree.

If he uses Q instead of R or Req i'll rip him off like hell =)

Ah, so you *do* have feelings and you *can* distinguish right from wrong? There is hope.

I'm not debating right from wrong, I know I'm taking advantage when I exploit the market, but I don't see any actual harm as it is just a game. That's my opinion, perhaps I'm wrong but I don't feel so.

In real life I would never do anything like that, ever. In fact, if I were aware of something like it I would make it my sole aim to stamp it out entirely.

Just so you know, I was 'scammed' in two ways when I first started the game. I bought a shield the seller told me was worth 80k only to find it was merch food and I sold a sword that was worth 30e more than I got for it. I didn't mind, it was all part of the curve and I was only playing a game after all.

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Also: It's quite funny how you stepped about the personal insult thing, quite a clever response to misdirect. I wasn't aware being a hypocrite tied so well with a moralist... I guess if you can sleep well at night after making such nasty attacks it's all ok, huh?

Having moral issues about how you (and I >_>) make money in GW? Personally, I think it's completely fine, unless it's a good friend of yours or something. Caveat emptor!

~Tru

Okay, for the second, and hopefully the last, time: the "prick" post was not a personal insult, but a jab intended to snap you out of your smug "it's just a game" rhetoric. Obviously I failed miserably. So, if you don't mind, I'll be taking my Fail with me and move on to greener pastures where they don't twist my words to better suit their needs.

this thread is becoming a cess pool of little stabs and insults at each other. Cool your jets people....really.

At the end of the day, this situation arises because the information isn't available in-game. If players could make a simple auction house query and find out internally, it wouldn't be a problem! (do you see what I did there?)

Yea, that's more or less what my post boils down to... plus you quote my commentary on another person's signature rather than what I actually replied to the OP with...

... your response to me. Sense it makes not

If your asking why I'm analyzing it philosophically... it's called a "thought experiment". Just because there's no practical application in this particular context doesn't mean the question itself can't be examined to find some sort of greater consensus or understanding on the matter.

What insult? Taking advantage of other people is almost universally viewed as "wrong". I don't think pointing that out - even if it was in a somewhat vulgar manner - is insulting. If someone IS a prick they don't get to complain when someone points it out, even if the person doing so doesn't use the most mature methods available to do it.

There's no real way to twist or misinterpret a personal attack, but feel free to twist it yourself to suit your own needs. Seems like only a few posts ago you were lecturing me for the same... ah, those were the times.

Seems some people are not so elevated as they'd thought.

A part of morality being: Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.

Simply

The answer is a resounding NO if it is an item that can be sold to a trader or a merchant for more than you're paying. Normally, I PM the person (or yell it in all chat) and let them know how they can get more money from the AI. This includes materials, dyes, runes, and collector trophies (e.g. Commendations).

For other items, it depends on how egregious the difference is. In other words, I wouldn't have much of a problem buying an armbrace from someone for 100K (especially if I'm gonna use it and not resell it), but if they were selling it for 50K, I'd definitely pass.

Come on, don't give me that "HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!" rhetoric, when you yourself stated that you were (probably still are and will continue) oppressing those less fortunate/informed/<insert.handicap.here>.

As far this this argument goes - I'm out. It is not my idea of fun to get dragged down to a certain level and subsequently get beaten by "opponents" experience in that particular level.

I don't actually care, I'm merely pointing out hypocrisy and tenuous morality.

Feel free to insult me all you want and I'll try my best to stay off this damned thread.

Cess, indeed

If it's not against the EULA it's "OK". Other than the moral question which is personal. I wouldn't because of my personal morality and it's just a game.

The question is about noobs ( who I consider to be people new to the game, not people here 2 years). As such to take advantage of someone having a black dye in pre drop for them is wrong. You wouldnt like it being done to you now would you? (and if it happened to you when you started the game doesnt make it right either).

Yes, its only a game, but you should interact with the people in the game the same way as you would outside the game. If it means that so many of the people here would rip people off in R/L then its just sad.

I think the question was if it was 'morally all right'. A contract may not be legal for different reasons. One of the people who signed it might not have been the age needed to sign it for example. It would not be legal, but if he or she was 15 and fully aware of the consequences of signing that contract there is nothing morally wrong with it according to me. (Note that I'm not sure when signing a contract would be legal but I took 16 to be a nice age for this example )

Other way around too, some things may legally be wrong but morally be correct. In the Netherlands there is a law where, when a building hasn't been used in a year, other people can move in there and live there. Though I'm not sure about the details, the actual owner of that building can't easily force those others to move out of his building again. Legally the 'other people' are correct in that they are allowed to live there, morally however I disagree.

The question of the OP however was if it is 'ok' to buy something of a noob (whichever meaning of the word he meant there). Now, as no one has pointed out some rule made by Anet about this, I can assume it's about the moral. In which case I still say: yes it is all right to buy an expensive item for a cheap price if the seller agrees to it. Sure, it may be nice of the buyer to inform the seller but it's not morally wrong if he doesn't in my opinion.
Same partially applies to reallife for me too. Lets compare it with a house, if someone is selling for €200.000,- while it's worth €220.000,- I'll gladly buy the house (sadly I lack funds though :P). There are enough estate agents who will tell the price to the seller, as a buyer it's not my job to inform him is it? Even someone totally new (which I'll be in a few years hopefully) to the real estate market has people around him who will tell him about this if he doesn't know it himself (friends, family), just as someone has guildmates/friends to point him to Guru/wiki/another website for a decent pricecheck.

Anyway, it's an interesting topic I'll defianetely follow it.

I usually tell then if they seem like a nice person and are noob as some people pmed me teling me I was selling too cheap. Although if they are being really immature they can loose money and i not too bothered about them