2.5 Months in to GW, what a newb thinks.

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mHtt
Ascalonian Squire
#1
As I play mostly PvE, and my comments will be regarding the PvE experience I am posting this in the campfire.

The following is simply a list of observations I've made in my few months playing gw.

But first some context. I'm not a total newb:
-I played many many console RPG's, Final Fantasy series, Zelda series, Dragon Warrior series... to name a few.

-I've got 10+years of playing online multiplayer games: half life 1 mods, half life 2 mods, quake 3, duke nukem LOL, age of empires2, battlefield 2, WC3... to name a few.

-You wouldn't know I'm a newb in game: My most played Character: "Slayer of Concepts" is lvl 20 'Slayer of All' with 2 pieces of FoW Armor, and at 51 days old, has more than 3 million xp, he wields a q9 Clockwork Scythe. I have 4 more LVL 20's (mo, wa, me, pa) and I began my GW career by leveling a mesmer and beating the prophecies campaign with her, yes I chose mesmer as my first class, ever . So sufficed to say I know GW fairly well, but timewise, and more importantly experience wise, I'm still a total newb.

So here's my observations thus far.
-I don't get why people can be reported for swearing, as there is a swearing filter built into the game engine. The fact that A-net kicks and bans for swearing is beyond me as it actually invalidates the work that went into developing and implementing the anti swearing system, making it a waste of A-net's own time and money. This behavior is goes against business ethics as customer's/player's in the GW world we invest in A-net's financial viability. It's success as a company means a better gaming experience for us, however when the company behaves in a way that it actually devalues the work of it's own employees, for the sake of saving a few lazy or unobservant customers, the overall improving quality of our gaming experiences could be at stake. I hope for all our sake this is not indicative of A-net's over all appreciation for the contribution of it's employees.
(Don't report ppl for swearing, turn filter on)

-The great ursanway debate.
As you can see I'm a 'slayer of all' so I'm sure some of you assuming there's going to be some bias in my following arguments. I'd like to take a moment to point out that this assumption is actually the first act of bias, as you need to wait for my argument's specifics and their relation to the conclusion to see if I'm really being bias or not.
- The number 1 premises given by critics of ursanway seems to be that it is simply button mashing and requires no skill. That it's a grind and that it's the final salvation of all things newbish. Here's why I tend to disagree:
1. Nobody gets to R8,9,10. Ursan by accident, ok? This takes a lot of time, and effort, either by way of handbook, dungeon guide, or just going out and farming rep. By comparison it is MUCH MUCH easier to buy an elite monk tome, get HB and then join any ursan way group.
2. I have been 55'ing, and 600/smiting, they are both waaaaay easier than ursan way lol. A good 55'er needs to pre cast 4 ench, toss on prot and some smite, and ur good to go. I've done both and 55ing alone is way easier than Ursan in a pug, yet i bet most of the people who call ursan easy, 55 all day long. as for 600/smiting, the smiter actually stands there out of aggro and does nothing, which the 600 MASHES sprit bond, and waits to spam spell breaker, all easier than running an ursan build; I have been kicked from FoW/UW many times because newbs can't find the back line(which I seem to ONLY ping), or dont know how to chain KD's and such to stop a key resurrection etc... anyone who says Ursan is easy, hasn't run often enough in a PuG lurlz...

-Finally for Ursanway:
-(some GW:EN spolers There is no reason Ursanway can't be tied into the GW story line. The Charr have been able to harness the power of the Searing, the Asura have their gates, the dwarves can turn into stone... I think the Norn deserve to have an elite power which could turn the tide in a great war, don't you? Besides, ursan has no way of ruining the precious PvP balance. Now I'm done talking about ursan....

-I think that A-net is missing out on a great opportunity with the Polymock. Imagine if we could have Polymock PvP? or imagine you could Polymock cap skills from all creatures you've killed in zone/create hybrid polymock creatures? A-net could add so much re playability to GW if they opened polymock up to PvP. The most efficient way to do this would be to add a 'Challenge to Polymock' button to the trade window or something, which is grayed out until both traders can Polymock.


Ok people, thanks for reading!
I hope you all share your thoughts whether you agree or disagree, I will be better for having read them, thanks!

mHtt,
IGN's: Slayer Of Concepts(D), What A Good Name(Mo), Via Sunyata(Wa), Fkin Fragz(P), Gunga Malunga Gunga(Rt), Tathata Sangha(Me)
canto
canto
Lion's Arch Merchant
#2
I agree with you on most points, and i bet lot of others do also. The only real disagreement i have is in polymock PvP. It is a great idea, but because buying eotn is completely optional, not everyoine has polymock pieces, and A-net prolly doesnt want all the greif of people complaning. If they decided to work polymock into the rest of the games, i believe that it is a great idea. I like the personal, anywhere-anytime part of it also, rather than going to battle isles.
Sir Owns Alot EP
Sir Owns Alot EP
Frost Gate Guardian
#3
Three million experience in fifty one days?

My Paragon, preety much the only character I've ever played, just passed one million and is a year old in a few weeks...

Other than that I agree. People cry too much about Ursan, but then again people like to complain about everything, anywhere, anytime. If it wasn't Ursan it would be some other "lol ez mode n00bz run doa like it waz suppozed to lork me cause i r l337". Its a game, and people get too emotionally invested in it.
L
Loaf The Warrior
Pre-Searing Cadet
#4
All of the different campaigns are optional. So that would be like saying they shouldn't do Alliance Battles because you have to have factions. They did that? Just a thought. Not saying I do or don't like the idea. I guess it would depend on the titles it created and any rewards. I think it would be really neat if they did something like that where you could gamble and post the amount or items in a trade window and as soon as you accept the trade a 10 second counter or so starts and then off to battle. At the end of battle the winner gets it and it can't be cancelled. Even if you disconnect you would forfeit and it would go to other person. I think something like that would be fun. Although Anet probably wouldn't do that because that is gambling and wouldn't be good with the amount of kids that play GW aged 8ish (just a guess) and up.
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warcrap
Krytan Explorer
#5
omfg you must have alot of time on your hands dude!!
Div
Div
I like yumy food!
#6
1. Listing your experience/level/titles credentials is generally a sign of saying "I'm noob but won't admit it." Just don't do it. If you listed that you were top 8 in the WCG for warcraft3 or something, that'd be impressive. Otherwise no. If your opinions are sound and logical, people will know that you're experienced.
2. Anet has to ban people for swearing to comply with the fact that it's a 13+ (or general) game.
3. Ursanway takes no skill. There's no debate about it. All it takes is a bunch of repetitive farming to get to rank 8+. In comparison, I've seen bad HB monks that cause the team to wipe despite the consumables.
4. Polymock PvP would be great, but too bad Anet didn't care enough when they made it.
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mHtt
Ascalonian Squire
#7
Ok, well the replies have been pretty well spken so far, with the exception of "holymasamune" which left me a tad confused:

he said: -"1. Listing your experience/level/titles credentials is generally a sign of saying "I'm noob but won't admit it." Just don't do it. If you listed that you were top 8 in the WCG for warcraft3 or something, that'd be impressive. Otherwise no. If your opinions are sound and logical, people will know that you're experienced."

I'm fairly certain the title of this thread ("2.5 Months in to GW, what a newb thinks.") is an admission that I am a newb. I may have been a tad ambiguous in this title but, it was meant to be self referential, to the author, who is me. The consolation being is that I'm the good kind of newb, who is humble, and is willing to invest time, and energy into getting a good experience not only for himself, but for all GW players.

Also he said: -"Anet has to ban people for swearing to comply with the fact that it's a 13+ (or general) game."
This is an interesting point, which leads me to wonder, does the content dictate the rating, or foes the rating dictate the content... If it is the latter (which I personally think it is...) I'm sure the ratings board must comply with A-Net's game design. Again, there is no swearing if the filter is turned on, making it a <13y/o game.

As for my ursan argument, u pretty much ignored all the points I made, giving me an excuse to do the same for you,

Finally, if your having a hard time believing my xp/time played claims, here (yes, 2.8millions isnt 3, but its damn close :


Ps, I spend my skill points on consumables almost immediately LOL... WTS stars of Transferrence anyone? LOL
canto
canto
Lion's Arch Merchant
#8
sorry if this is offtopic, please warn me if saying this is against some rule. "That is a sick armor combo!"
upier
upier
Grotto Attendant
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by mHtt (Don't report ppl for swearing, turn filter on) I have the filter off. And I report people for swearing.
Why?
Because "I" shouldn't distance myself from the world so that ignorant bastards can poison it with it's stupidity and ignorance.
Well and because of this:
http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php
"You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, or racially or ethnically offensive language."
It's not your right to cuss in GW.
But I have the right to report your ass.

Quote: Originally Posted by mHtt
-The great ursanway debate. Ursan is bad.
BUT PvE in it's current state is even worse.
That's why I don't mind the skill existing.


Quote:
Originally Posted by mHtt
-I think that A-net is missing out on a great opportunity with the Polymock. The problem of Poly is that it promotes 1v1 battles. And GW is a team game. So I seriously doubt it would expand the re-playability of GW.
IF bringing Poly to PvP would require a bit of work - I'd be against against it. I'd rather they'd focus on things that are fun. If it could be done without much trouble - then I really don't mind them brining it. "I" don't need to play it - so having it there doesn't influence me in the slightest.
cerb
cerb
Jungle Guide
#10
55 easier than Ursan?

No, let me tell you how it works. When you 55, the team revolves around you. Even if your SS/SV partner sucks, you will still kill foes eventually. Ursan IS simple and easy, do not get me wrong. Yes, people (pugs, particularily) often forget its limits and lead the group to death. But that doesn't make Ursan HARD, does it?
If you play SS/SV in UW with a 55 monk pug that keeps dying everytime a Nightmare pops up, does that make 55/SS hard?

55 is easy in theory, as you just need to recast stuff when it flashes. However, in practice it gets harder, because you sometimes have to deal with unexpected spawns, interrupts and things that you have no power over. For instance, doing Four Horsemen in 2-men was very hard at first, because we had to play against AI we ignored, rather than use our skill to overcome the challenge.
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flettir
Frost Gate Guardian
#11
Yes, I agree with you on most of those points.
The possibility of being banned for swearing has me pretty annoyed too.
I don't actually know how real those threats are...I've cursed out some idiot that was annoying me, he reported me, but nothing ever happened. Maybe A-Net realized he's an idiot.

As for ursan...you bring up some very valid points.
My gripe with ursan is that...if you have to load up on consumables (steroids ) to make a build work in hard mode...well...it's not really much of a build is it? However, I agree that getting to high ranks of norn does take time and effort. Plus, ursan really helps people play together...I mean you try doing something hard with 3 rangers, a mesmer, and a sin in your group.

As for Polymock...let me assure you, you're far from the first to point this out. So I really hope that with the amount of complaint A-Net's gotten about that, they'll finally give in and make a Polymock Arena.

As a final note...great job achieving all that in under 3 months!
Willow O Whisper
Willow O Whisper
Lion's Arch Merchant
#12
Question is...... HOW THE HECK! Did you manage to get those pieces of fow in less than 2 months? übber farming? Ah come on tell me ^^ i'm in dieing need of a set *chough*
Terraban
Terraban
Krytan Explorer
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Willow O Whisper
Question is...... HOW THE HECK! Did you manage to get those pieces of fow in less than 2 months? übber farming? Ah come on tell me ^^ i'm in dieing need of a set *chough* Farming...

His Dervish has a staff....so possibly using some kind of farming build on a Dervish, maybe a smiter in 600.

BUT...more likely than not...
since he is obviously a hardcore supporter of UB, he probably rolls his face on the keyboard and wins in elite missions.

Edit: Was right with the second one....
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...14#post3756714
Eldin
Eldin
Forge Runner
#14

Kidding. This guy seems legit.
Accursed
Accursed
Wilds Pathfinder
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by mHtt
Ok, well the replies have been pretty well spken so far, with the exception of "holymasamune" which left me a tad confused:

he said: -"1. Listing your experience/level/titles credentials is generally a sign of saying "I'm noob but won't admit it." Just don't do it. If you listed that you were top 8 in the WCG for warcraft3 or something, that'd be impressive. Otherwise no. If your opinions are sound and logical, people will know that you're experienced."

I'm fairly certain the title of this thread ("2.5 Months in to GW, what a newb thinks.") is an admission that I am a newb. I may have been a tad ambiguous in this title but, it was meant to be self referential, to the author, who is me. The consolation being is that I'm the good kind of newb, who is humble, and is willing to invest time, and energy into getting a good experience not only for himself, but for all GW players.

Also he said: -"Anet has to ban people for swearing to comply with the fact that it's a 13+ (or general) game."
This is an interesting point, which leads me to wonder, does the content dictate the rating, or foes the rating dictate the content... If it is the latter (which I personally think it is...) I'm sure the ratings board must comply with A-Net's game design. Again, there is no swearing if the filter is turned on, making it a <13y/o game.

As for my ursan argument, u pretty much ignored all the points I made, giving me an excuse to do the same for you,

Finally, if your having a hard time believing my xp/time played claims, here (yes, 2.8millions isnt 3, but its damn close :


Ps, I spend my skill points on consumables almost immediately LOL... WTS stars of Transferrence anyone? LOL Please, we don't care what your 'l337' character looks like or your armor/experience in Gw. I read until you started talking about your 'Slayer of All' character.
Mr Fizzle
Mr Fizzle
Lion's Arch Merchant
#16
Can I see /age?

Umm not to be rude but most people can probaly guess what I'm thinking about life...
Washi
Washi
Wilds Pathfinder
#17
Ursan debate is getting so old.

If you really want to ignore how beautiful this game is, how much freedom you have in building your character, please go ahead and push ursan button. If that is what makes you happy, if pushing 3 buttons over and over paying no attention to the battlefield is cool and challenging.

Well I prefer to have fun, even if that means failing over and over in some HM dungeon untill I set my heroes right, and then when I finally beat it, that is not time wasted.
Bront
Bront
Wilds Pathfinder
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by canto
I agree with you on most points, and i bet lot of others do also. The only real disagreement i have is in polymock PvP. It is a great idea, but because buying eotn is completely optional, not everyoine has polymock pieces, and A-net prolly doesnt want all the greif of people complaning. If they decided to work polymock into the rest of the games, i believe that it is a great idea. I like the personal, anywhere-anytime part of it also, rather than going to battle isles. They have Hero battles, and not everyone has Nightfall or EotN to unlock Heroes with.
C
Crunch
Academy Page
#19
my main char is a monk that i've been playing for 32 months and it only has 1.4mil xp :x
y
yum
Wilds Pathfinder
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Willow O Whisper
Question is...... HOW THE HECK! Did you manage to get those pieces of fow in less than 2 months? übber farming? Ah come on tell me ^^ i'm in dieing need of a set *chough* Dude, it's not that hard if you are a hardcore farmer.

Say one day he gets AT LEAST 20ectos, he can get FOW set in less than 10 days