Do you Want an observer mode in Guild Wars 2

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Brother Andicus
Lion's Arch Merchant
#21
Obs mode may be largely to blame for the quick spread of gimmick builds, but it also made a huge difference to player skill levels.

Evil? Yes
Good? Yes
Should it be in GW2? Yes
pamelf
pamelf
Forge Runner
#22
I've never used it...
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Orbberius
Krytan Explorer
#23
If you think Obs mode is bad, you are retarded and should stop living
Bazompora
Bazompora
Lion's Arch Merchant
#24
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Originally Posted by I MP I
It would be like going a step backwards.
Sometimes, it's better to take a step backwards, than to take a whole wrong turn.

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Originally Posted by Lifeinthefridge
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1.YES
2.NO
3.I dont care
3. I dont care
God Apprentice
God Apprentice
Wilds Pathfinder
#25
Keep it as long as it does not show what skills are being used.
Sarevok Thordin
Sarevok Thordin
Desert Nomad
#26
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Originally Posted by God Apprentice
Keep it as long as it does not show what skills are being used.

That's a good way to do it.
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Teutonic Paladin
Wilds Pathfinder
#27
That's a rediculous way to do it. So essentially you get to watch warriors and dervishes attack things, casters wave thier arms around, and general positioning that goes with other aspects of the build that you can't even see? If people couldn't use Observer Mode I bet the wiki and guru would have every meta build used anywhere at any time posted in thier respective guild sections. Without the skills people are using you don't learn or see anything. It'd be a waste of space.
Bazompora
Bazompora
Lion's Arch Merchant
#28
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Originally Posted by Teutonic Paladin
Without the skills people are using you don't learn or see anything.
This kind of "learning" does have a lot more in common with spying: you remain invisible, see it all and just literally copy it or create pre-emptive counters.
As the devs allready have announced that they plan on giving spells in GW2 distinguishable spell effects, I don't see the necessity to make it so easy as to also have the spell names shown to others.
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myword
Krytan Explorer
#29
Yes, of course. why not?

sure Obs helps in the proliferation of gimmick builds, but the root of that is poorly balanced skills that are infrequently tweaked.

people whining about builds being copied obviously don't understand what's needed in actually running a build successfully against another competent team
Lt.Crumpet
Lt.Crumpet
Frost Gate Guardian
#30
yis. there is simply no reason why it shouldnt be there.
Dryndalyn
Dryndalyn
Frost Gate Guardian
#31
Yes, I enjoy watching when I am having a snack.
EroChrono
EroChrono
Wilds Pathfinder
#32
Yes, I sometimes watch the top matches, and some guild related battles can be quite funny to watch.

Being a PvE player, I don't care much if skills are showed or not.
Kool Pajamas
Kool Pajamas
Forge Runner
#33
Yes. I like watching some of the big gvg tournaments.
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Brother Andicus
Lion's Arch Merchant
#34
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Originally Posted by myword
Yes, of course. why not?

sure Obs helps in the proliferation of gimmick builds, but the root of that is poorly balanced skills that are infrequently tweaked.

people whining about builds being copied obviously don't understand what's needed in actually running a build successfully against another competent team
Whilst I agree, that is a somewhat shallow viewpoint. GW is a team game, and a significant part(whether we like it or not) is the team build. Isn't it fair that guilds that happen to posses a talented build maker should gain some reward from that? There are plenty of players good enough to copy a build AND understand its underlying mechanics.

A good recent example is the Mindblast build used by RUS. When they first started with it they rolled everything in sight for about 24hrs. It then started to spread until within 72hrs a good proportion of the top 200 were running something very similar. Within another 48hrs after that, people not running that build had made the necessary adaptions and by the end of the 2nd week the build was fading out on obs mode. Given a GW without obs mode, RUS might have been rewarded with a month or more of build advantage before it was countered/copied en masse. I'd argue that by coming up with something a little bit different, they deserved some sort of advantage.

Obs mode has done a huge amount of damage to GW, but like I posted before, its value as a tool to increase the average level of player skill has been massive. Obs mode is needed to provide a player base with a decent depth of knowledgeable and skilled players, and should therefore be kept for GW2.
Hyper.nl
Hyper.nl
Desert Nomad
#35
I never used it, I don't care.
Matfei
Matfei
Frost Gate Guardian
#36
1. YES, most definately. Fun to watch the big-time matches; I'll never be part of them, so at least I can watch!
Indian
Indian
Wilds Pathfinder
#37
2. No.

I could write big long reason, but there's no point writing it since observer mode going to be there for GW2.
The Last Preacher
The Last Preacher
Academy Page
#38
2. No

Make your own builds kids.
Divinus Stella
Divinus Stella
Desert Nomad
#39
2. Pretty much kills build variation.

The main point people have for keeping it is so they can watch high end gvg, removing HA observer would best.
Div
Div
I like yumy food!
#40
Sure obs mode spreads gimmick builds faster, but they'll spread eventually and obs mode actually gives lower ranked teams an idea of what balanced builds are like (aka not something like 2 HH wamo, 2 barrage ranger, 1 ms nuker, 1 avatar of balth derv, 2 woh monk).