If it was hard to get a group before, it is harder in hard mode

First of all Anet, THANKS FOR THE UPDATE... it is by far my favorite of any that you have released thus far.

That said, I'm noticing some incredible difficulty in finding groups for hard mode, namely that the "trinity" of MMORPGS has become much more essential for missions.

Most groups I see are looking for warriors, elementalists, and monks. While some other classes will occassionally be substituted (like how SS is still pretty good), some classes, such as mesmer and assassin, are being completely left out.

I'll be thinking this over and eventually writing a proposed solution in the suggestions area, but at the moment, I want to know if anyone else is witnessing the same thing?

While I haven't looked for a group - I played with guildies and a few friends - I can understand why Assassins aren't wanted, at least. I tried playing with my assassin in NF, and I'm pretty much getting two-shot'd-wtfpwnd.

Assassins are not pve characters.

If you still don't get a group, learn how to sell yourself in allchat to get a group.

To be expected, I suppose. I'm waiting for the promised Mesmer buff to play my mesmer again, and anyway, I have more than enough titles to try and earn with my Warrior at the moment...

Quote: Originally Posted by Bryant Again While I haven't looked for a group - I played with guildies and a few friends - I can understand why Assassins aren't wanted, at least. I tried playing with my assassin in NF, and I'm pretty much getting two-shot'd-wtfpwnd. Already "vanquished" 4 areas and got 3 masters missions in NF on my assassin thank you very much. I'll stick with my heroes I guess...

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Originally Posted by Narcism Assassins are not pve characters. ...

Quote: Originally Posted by Narcism Assassins are not pve characters. Says the warrior, narrow minded as usual. THANK YOU OH WISE WARRIOR FOR YOUR VERY INTELLIGENT COMMENT !

Assasins are as much PvE characters as PvP, they are however better at killing single targets. And let it happen that in PvP the ability to kill as fast a assasin can is of good use, while in pve the focus is more on area damage as SS and Searin Flames.

And if youre getting two shot killed consider this, "Is it really the class that is bad or do i not yet knwo how to play it properly?"

Try Feigned Nuetralliy and Shadow refuge for example they should work really well.

less flames please...

The OP has a good point... if the mesmer is experiencing less play... how does hard mode help? I guess we will just have to wait and see.

Quote: Originally Posted by clawofcrimson

paragons with stand your ground and watch yourself maybe really good, if its armour respecting damage the mobs do.

from what ive read, mesmers might wanna run power return, empathy, backfire, some energy management, optional skills (energy burn or whatever) heal, res.

but thats what i normaly run now...

Quote: Originally Posted by pingu666

I'll take all the mesmers in my groups. It's just nubs that don't understand how they truly help a group who don't want them.

This was to be expected, rasing the stats of monsters really didnt help the unfavored profs to get in groups. People just reckon that they need to buff their damage too.

Now if Anet would have taken the alternative path and the enemies would have more balanced makeups and better behavior, making AI spread groups quickly and making brainless hexes useless then that would have been a good call. So an SSed mob would move out of the group and start harrassing enemies without damaging its own partners in crime.

When they would meet a frost build they would target the winter and GC when they are set up, or even interupting them. That would have been real hard mode. No gimmicks, true play.

Quote: Originally Posted by heroajax1

I shudder at the thought of HM missions where you have to protect some damned NPC(s), actually tried one and failed miserably...

Players are already spread thin across three campaigns, now even more with hard mode and normal mode, finding a group is very difficult, finding one if you're not a warrior, monk, ele, or necro would be close to impossible.

What else is new? Mesmers and sins suck in the typical pug because they can't find a good use for them. Nevertheless, their specialty in focusing on one target makes them a lot more pvp oriented than pve.

Finding a mesmer in a mission town that doesn't have a useless build is hard. :| Just accepting any mesmer without checking their builds would probably end up in a wipe sooner or later.

Quote: Originally Posted by Narcism
Assassins are not pve characters. I just love people who comment like this it says a lot about them. I must admit of all of my characters the Assassin has proved over and over again to be the most effective class at killing in PvE. Nothing kills faster than an Assassin. There is simply no reason for the hate.

You must understand Assassin hate is the direct result of the factions monster ability Afflicted Soul Explosion. Apart from this monster ability being set off upon death there is no reason to hate assassins like people do.

I have seen Assasins in PvE kill bosses to death with their spikes better than any other meele character.

The only problem is when you get the Assasin that doesn't know how to play that profession which is why people don't like having Assasins around in the PUG.

It's all about the skill with those class's, mesmer, sin, and paragon are certainly the hardest, or the least understood in any case. It seems that most people who pick up this class, don't play it long enough to actually understand the usefulness of the class and what they are capable of. They then switch over to another class and only remember their ill fated attempt at these more complicated class's and don't want to risk a spot to one in the group, when all they've experienced is failure.

It all adds up to impatience I think. For my part, all i can say is that I wish I could bring more heroes so I could stick in a sin or mesmer, because they rape casters.