Tombs - B/P Groups

Finding a good group for Tomb runs has been a little difficult lately so I thought I'd post my thoughts on this run. Group should have 5 B/P rangers with pets, bows interupts, degen, barrage and Faverable Winds or Winnowing...

My R/Mo looks like...

Beast Mastery 1
Expertise 7
Wilderness Survival 11
Marksmanship 16

Savage Shot, Apply Posion, Barrage, Troll Unguent, Comfort Animal, Charm Animal, Winnowing, Rebirth

One of the Rangers should be the puller and everyone else stay back... I can't stress this enough... Stay back... and the puller really shouldn't be a primary spirit provider... Pullers have other things to worry about other than making sure a spirit is up...

Rangers should not bring traps or any other spirit besides Winnowing or Favorable Winds... The only exception might be the puller with a trap but its not really needed and makes the run take longer.

A Necro Minion Master is needed... Flesh Golem is great if you have Factions...

My N/Mo looks like...

Death Magic 16
Soul Reaping 11
Healing Prayers 8

Deadly Swam, Bone Horror, Bone Fiend, Flesh Golem, Blood of the Master, Verata's Sacrifice, Healing Breeze and Rebirth

I try and keep Flesh Golem and Bone Fiends up and only spawn Bone Horrors to quickly get my minion count to 10... Blood of the Master keeps the minions alive and Healing Breeze keeps me alive... Verata's Sacrifice for long hauls...

An Orders Necro is needed...

My N/Mo looks like...

Blood Magic 16
Soul Reaping 11
Healing Prayers 8

Life Siphon, Order of Pain, Order of the Vampire, Blood Ritual, Blood Renewal, Mending, Healing Breeze, Rebirth

I try and keep Order of the Vampire up and use Order of Pain when everyone is healthy... Blood Ritual for the Monk and MM often... Blood Renewal for me... Mending and Healing breeze for the MM and myself... Life Siphon for the worms....

A Monk is needed...

My Mo/Me looks like... (New to Monking so there may be improvements)

Healing Prayers 16
Protection Prayers 4
Divine Favor 14

Dwayna's Kiss, Healing Seed, Word of Healing, Healing Breeze, Heal Party, Extinguish, Mending, Rebirth...

Asuming everyone stays back and lets the puller do their job then I just need to watch after the necros even though they can heal themselvse pretty well and the puller... Never heal pets and take care of anyone who happens to get into a bit of trouble...

Alrighty then... MM sets up camp a location for the puller to being monsters staying out of those dang meteor showers... Puller brings monsters to minions... Rangers behind the minions pawn monsters... Monk and Orders keeps team happy... Try and interupt the Meteor Shower and Worm Siege... Don't go for Chest until everything is dead around it... and if you not the puller stay back....

Hope you find this helpful...

Make love not war,
Elf

i went into this with a standard woh monk, with a b/p group. works fine, and the necros are nice and use heal party. the monks job is pretty easy. but i think they need an fc nuker to speed up the killing.

first of a well informed and well seasoned b/p group can cut through the tombs in about an hour, no nuker is needed. as long as the MM makes minions and the rangers can res their pets in battle the run is a breeze. elf has made a real easy guide and it should be followed, it pretty much explains the simplicity of the tombs with a seasoned group. lately tho the groups there have been horrid and i hope more people read this thread and take head, i miss going there.

I love tombs UW - but 3 lat times I wnt there - three was no people?!?!?! 5 people was in there last time
I'm on euro servers, and usually the eng.distr. 1 is crowded

Lightbringer title + Ligthbringers gaze is probably a very nice addition to B/P groups. Haven't tested if it works on the enemies in there.

Similar to what I use to run but I'd change the necro bars.

MM:
Deadly Swam, Bone Horror, Death Nova, Flesh Golem, Blood of the Master, Verata's Sacrifice, Heal Area and Rebirth

Fiends are usless here seeing as they drag aggro and can cause your group to die. Heal Area is much more usefully to keep your minions alive, compared to the uses of healing breeze. Death Nova adds more pressure along with the degen you need.


Orders:
Life Siphon, Order of Pain, Order of the Vampire, Blood Ritual, Blood Renewal, Heal Party, Healing Breeze, Rebirth

Mending is pointless because it does more harm then good seeing as they have shatters, and with the constant killing any decent orders necro can cycle OoP OoV and HP forever, not to mention HP takes some pressure of the sole monk. I dont't life siphon since its not really usefull here, I might suggest taking a well of blood instead seeing as you'll have plenty of corpses to go around.

Quote: Originally Posted by Saborath Gilgalad

Quote: Originally Posted by Kinky Elf

Seriously, where do you need apply poison? It's a preparation and barrage deletes all preparations.

Rangers should be R/x, where x=Me, A, Rt, P, D. They should have res-sigs, since you do not need 8 copies of rebirth, and a mid-combat res can turn the tide of a battle, preventing situations where you'd need rebirth.

With the rangers not having enchants removed from them when they take hits, the monk can safely take Vig Spirit, which works great on barrage rangers.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Dreikki

Quote: Originally Posted by Blackhawk

Crit BP works fine, R/W with watch yourself! for constant +20 works, throwing in a paragon to cause burning looks fun too. Basically, a BP grp is simple, the ranger's only job is to cause as much AoE dmg as possible and HAVE interrupts for worms and whatever else you feel like interrupting. The orders nec shoudln't have mending, they should have heal party (energy managemnt shoudlnt' be needed with all the things dying: minions and monsters) I don't understand why you have bone horrors, they are not good meat shields. They run off wherever the hell they want, fiends are what you want for meatshields. Flesh Golem is nice, and considering that you're just creating meatshields and some extra DPS, taste of death+death nova on golem and even on fiends sometimes is fun. There is no specific build, just know the roles: orders nec is +dmg for rangers, BR for anyone, and heal party+HB for monk support; MM for meatshields; one or two monks depending on how good your grp and monk is (in terms of controlling aggro and the monk having sufficient energy) but with the orders nec all you really need is a good boon prot monk.

Also, I just wanted to make the point that if rangers could add something in to help increase dmg, the run would be quicker (the loot I would say isn't really an hour worth, though you get the exp wtih it for skill points and maybe a green in the end, though the greens dont sell for much)

I've done this run many many times. Damage was never a problem if each person brings the typical skills for a b/p setup. FW+winnow+orders necro skills should add more than enough dmge to own the tombs.

We did bring a paragon (w/ pet) over the weekend, and Anthem of Flame and some other skills worked nicely on Barrage hits; I was monking so I couldn't tell if things were dying more quickly, but all the rangers seemed enthusiastic about it.

Seems fine, but why have mending on the monk? Such a waste of energy if you ask me.

Wouldn't it make sense for somebody to go R/P and spam Go For The Eyes?

Also, I don't understand why it ever makes sense to cast Order of Pain when you're already running Order of the Vampire. What am I missing?

And finally -- if you have Nightfall, can heroes do the job?

It's sad that people can't run a decent orders necro these days. This is how it's supposed to be done:

Awaken the Blood
Order of the Vampire
Mending
Blood Ritual
Healing Breeze
Heal Party
Well of Blood (do not use unless the mm drops out)
Rebirth

Blood Magic 16
Healing Prayers 8
Soul Reaping 13 (I think... what's left after bm 16 and hp 8... remember sup runes)

Totem Axe (unique item from the Falls)
Blood Knife (collector reward from uhm... Aurios Mines I think)

Sup runes on most armor parts

The totem axe has a 20% longer lasting enchants mod. The Blood Knife has a 20/20 cast time/recharge mod. These two together enables you to keep OoV up 91% of the time, so there is no need to bring Order of Pain, which can be upheld 100% of the time but at the expense of a skill slot. Instead, bring Awaken the Blood, increasing the effect of OoV from +17 to +19, which together with Barrage makes for some extra damage + healing.

(91% OoV + AtB does on average 1729 damage per 100 arrows. 100% OoP + OoV does 1700 damage per 100 arrows)

To those who say that Mending is useless due to shatters have not understood the concept of orders... stay way way back from the action, the only time you should be even close to in range of the mobs is when you br the monk. The real danger to an orders necro isn't shatter, it's Backfire... it hurts when you have like 140 health.

Quote: Originally Posted by Francis Crawford

dont use mending!!! too many chars of yours have this worthless crap
as for your rangers, yes favourable and winnowing are the only needed spirits thus the others could bring other things, perhaps more interrupts...
and use distracting instead of savage, works on all skills and disables them, better than extra damage on just spells. you can use both if you're not carrying a spirit...
I also agree with the res sigs for rangers and no monk secondary, bring paragorn/warrior secondaries instead and use different shouts/echos/chants to boost your team even more...

as for your MM, vereta's sacrifice is a worthless skill after the MM nerf... bring dark aura(for some minion bombing effect) and taste of death along with heal area for your own health. also, horrors are pretty bad, bring fiends and perhaps a few vampiric along with the golem...

your orders doesnt need both OoP and OoV, just stick with OoV with a 20% longer enchantments weapon and 20/20 off hand or a 20/20 wand with 20/20 off hand. however I wont recommend awaken the blood as the sacrifice will be too high unless you're very good and careful orders necro to not over sacrifice yourself and not get near the mobs. and it's only an extra 2 dmg...
I recommend party affecting skills such as heal party, aegis and extinguish as it doesnt force you to get near your team and the mobs...

your monk is also weird... a WoH is very good for tomb runs however remove mending and perhaps seed as well and bring good stuff like whisper or something, and where is your orison??? no self heal at all breeze just wont cut it, it's awful as a self heal, only good against degen and can be shattered thus doing double the damage... also, get some hex removal, at the very least inspire hex or even better, reverse hex or something...