Gates of Madness Mission (Spoiler)

wow i hate this mission. been tryin for 2 days now. as other people have, i have pretty much lost the will to try anymore...which pisses me off cause i really want primevel armor. The hardest thing for me is getting a good group. there seem to be not enough monks around, and its annoying. i expect to beat it tommorrow, its only a matter of time before i get a good group....but yea i think IO needs to be taken out. Yeah, I feel the same way. It really lessens the value of Nightfall for me. I will try to get this once with my Dervish, then finishing Nightfall with others is dead to me. I just wont do it. A mission facing just Shiro and the Lich would be fine, but you fight 30 minutes to get wasted by Shiro the boss of the worst of the three chapter of the most maligned class in the game with a idiotic party whipe special attack that makes Anet come of as sophomoric and moronic for trying to add value to Factions by making the boss so hard. I mean Varesh was a joke and the Lich too.

If you have the need to give Factions value by making Shiro TOTALLY and yes I mean TOTALLY unbalanced compared to the other bosses (even those of the Nightfall campaign) then make a mission called 'We want you to think Factions is Good' and put Shiro in it. DO NOT make us fight 30 minutes to get wiped.

You, Anet have also screwed over ALL, yes, ALL, I repeat ALL, did you get that Anet? ALL melee players by making Shiro melee resistant. My Dervish cant get a group.

oh I would also like to say, yes I know many have henched it and won easily, yes I have made shiro several times with henchmen and tried Spoil Victor and empathy and Flagged and what not, yes I have henched most of Nightfall so I know what I am doing, but NO I dont want a 30 minute mission to end with a boss that wipes most parties he encounters.

Anet Factions was good, it was fun. Prophecies and Nightfall are better Assassins are a poorly designed class that take a lot of skill to play well. That is just how it is. Doing this does not make Factions as good as the other campaign, it just lessens the value of giuld wars. I am not 15 anymore, I dont have time to go 30 minutes to die. Make the Shiro misson short, like in factions or better yet tone him down to be on par with the Lich. Like the Lich, Shiro should be a shadow of his former self in Nightfall.

Correct you mistake Anet

Yeah, I feel the same way. It really lessens the value of Nightfall for me. I will try to get this once with my Dervish, then finishing Nightfall with others is dead to me. I just wont do it. A mission facing just Shiro and the Lich would be fine, but you fight 30 minutes to get wasted by Shiro the boss of the worst of the three chapter of the most maligned class in the game with a idiotic party whipe special attack that makes Anet come of as sophomoric and moronic for trying to add value to Factions by making the boss so hard. I mean Varesh was a joke and the Lich too.

If you have the need to give Factions value by making Shiro TOTALLY and yes I mean TOTALLY unbalanced compared to the other bosses (even those of the Nightfall campaign) then make a mission called 'We want you to think Factions is Good' and put Shiro in it. DO NOT make us fight 30 minutes to get wiped.

You, Anet have also screwed over ALL, yes, ALL, I repeat ALL, did you get that Anet? ALL melee players by making Shiro melee resistant. My Dervish cant get a group.

oh I would also like to say, yes I know many have henched it and won easily, yes I have made shiro several times with henchmen and tried Spoil Victor and empathy and Flagged and what not, yes I have henched most of Nightfall so I know what I am doing, but NO I dont want a 30 minute mission to end with a boss that wipes most parties he encounters.

Anet Factions was good, it was fun. Prophecies and Nightfall are better Assassins are a poorly designed class that take a lot of skill to play well. That is just how it is. Doing this does not make Factions as good as the other campaign, it just lessens the value of giuld wars. I am not 15 anymore, I dont have time to go 30 minutes to die. Make the Shiro misson short, like in factions or better yet tone him down to be on par with the Lich. Like the Lich, Shiro should be a shadow of his former self in Nightfall.

Correct you mistake Anet My dervish can't get a group either because the mission is now so needy of SV necros, monks and wild blow wars. They made Shiro a shadow of his former self by taking away his meditation skill from Factions, but HELLO??? I'd take his meditation skill over IO anytime. I tried to kill him for 3 days and wasted over 10 hours being wiped. I haven't played GW since. Its real smart of Anet to be driving players away with missions like this.

First of all I'm not a uber player!
But knowing how to handle this mission made it very easy indeed.

Using only heroes/henchs i've done it on first try
Have droped shiro in 20-30 seconds, no more.

The basic setup,
Elementalist (Me) Searing Flames way with LB lvl 4
Olias, Curses, SS, Insideous Parasite, Price of Failure, ...
Master of Whispers, Blood/Domination, Spoil Victor, BR, Empathy,
Koss, Grenths Balance, Riposte, Savage or wild blow can't remember, stances...
2 Henchs monks
1 Paragon Hench
1 Ranger Hench

With careful aggro reaching the temple is very simple, shut down the portals, get inside, kill The Lich as soon as possible ignoring Shiro, and run to each avatar, ignoring Shiro, flag the team in the corner of each avatar room and Shiro won't follow you there or it will retreat after 3 or 4 seconds of being there, kill the foes in the room and capture the avatar.
After the 5 avatars captured you have a nice boost in skills, go to shiro, it will kill himself in seconds,
Spoil Victor, SS, Insideous Parasite, Empathy, shoud steal more then 190hp per Shiro attack (and it attacks a lot), add the grenths balance from Koss, and other damage sources, and it drops very very fast.

I was very surprised with how much easy it was.
Just remember to always call your targets, heroes/henchs follow this much better then pugs (myself included)

And like i said i'm not a uber player.

CYA You know I went and capped Spoil Victor for this mission. That is really sad, when you need a skill from another campaign to complete a mission. Like i said in an earlier post, I realize it can be done, but I also did not see the Lich having to be killed four times or doing insane damage. I am sorry, but why is Shiro not like the Lich in Nightfall?

I also would like to say that this misson is killing Nightfall for me. It takes 30 minutes of organized fighting (and one bad patrol can cost you dearly) to get to Shiro. Anet really is driving away players. I know I WILL think twice about buying another chapter and wait and read the forums to see if anet pulled another stunt like this one. Factions was just okay Anet Live with it.

. I know I WILL think twice about buying another chapter and wait and read the forums to see if anet pulled another stunt like this one. Factions was just okay Anet Live with it. Factions was terrible get real. Nightfall is the best expansion so far in comparison to the garbage that was Factions. In Faction missions all you really needed was a MM and everythign can pretty much be done solo without even even thinking or needing any advanced planning. Heck even Shiro can be dropped within 1 min if you know how to do it. The only difficult mission in Factions were the co-op 2 party ones, where the only challenge is getting paired up with a crappy team that pretty much fails it for everyone else. (Aka Vizunah Square and Kunnaveg Mission)

As for this mission, yes I've failed it a bunch of times due to a bad pull or didn't come properly prepared but it was challenging and it felt like I actually accomplished something after completing this mission. It felt nice not using the same builds all through the game like I did in factions. My only gripe with NF is that Abaddon mission is just cheesy with interrupts and spawning 3 Torment Claws in the same spot sometimes. (Seriously wtf)

The way my boyfriend and I killed Shiro was that our interrupter heroes actually interrupted Shiro's IO somehow so we just killed him. The second time when I helped some friends, we just overwhelmed him with damage before IO had wiped us.

You do not need spoil victor!



What stunt? Making the game challenging. The game actually requires a bit of skill and tactics now so you cant solo a mission with a MM anymore.
Agree, spoil victor helps alot but not a must have!